I hate subscription services. And I hate money-grubbing corps. Especially when they try to profit off of your own data.
That said, this is not that as infeasible as it sounds. The dev for Tessie reportedly has 400k users. That’s roughly $12.50/month per user. Modestly speaking, if the dev charged their users $13/mo, he’d profit $2.4 million per year. For $15/mo, he would profit $12 million per year.
That’s probably what Tesla is hoping their devs would do. And I’m sure a lot of Tesla owners could afford the fee.
Yes, I didn’t account for the transaction fees. But I believe my point still stands. If people find enough value in it, they’d probably pay for it; and that’s why Tesla is charging what they are.
I do agree with you about it being batshit crazy. If it were me, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to pay $15/mo for that. But I try to be a cheapskate where I can.
We can probably look at the reddit paid API change as a real world approximation of free to paid conversions versus users just dropping usage. Not reddit usage overall, but a third party app that stayed and needed to start charging users because of the paid API. Not sure if there are any apps that stuck around and released that sort of information to reference.
RedReader is still going, and is still free. I’ve been using it since essentially its first release over a decade ago. I was the first to suggest the dev accept donations, around 4 years ago, as it’s a one-man job and it used to get regular updates. And the dev has stated he wants to add lemmy functionality alongside the existing reddit code, so users can switch between the two like an account switch, and maintain the UI they are fond of.
(I’m using Thunder currently while I want for RR lemmy support, but obviously I quite like the app, have recommended it to many)
how much does it cost tesla to provide API access? or we don’t discuss their costs structure and profit margin? we only do that for the guy doing the actual work lol
Not sure which side of the argument you’re taking. But, to answer your questions…
how much does it cost tesla to provide API access?
Not as much as they would want you to believe. Most APIs are written once, and only updated if a major change in the backend happens. The majority of any operating costs would go into cloud services, if the telemetry from the car is sent to Tesla first. I don’t own a Tesla, so I don’t know for sure. I would imagine it’s, because that would allow Tesla better metrics on app usage.
or we don’t discuss their costs structure and profit margin?
Whose? Tesla or the app developers? I’m not against a business making a profit. It’s kind of the point. They provide some sort of service, and as a customer we pay some sort of fee. The problem as I see it, some companies (like Twitter, Reddit, and Tesla for example) are not balancing the age-old “supply and demand” model of economics. Of course that’s my opinion.
we only do that for the guy doing the actual work
Huh? Please explain.
lol
I don’t get it. Why do people end their otherwise non-funny statements with “lol”?
You came. Explaining how this price is fine since the app dev can make some money based on some basic math while not doing the same for telsa tubby.
Why this bias? How much money is telsa making per head, what is their cost structure? Should you have discussed this if we gonna justify this price gouging trick?
“Lol” here is sarcasm btw
Ps. Since they are data mining you already, could at least fucking provide api access for free which was the model pre covid mostly.
Now these parasites are data mining you and want you to pay for it 🤡
At least people are taking notice but I doubt this corpo trash will revert unless end user starts punish their profits.
Per user costs for a website is on the number of pennies a month and most of that is for electricity.
I can plug in a $750 second-hand server with a xeon processor, 40 TB of storage and 128gb of ram and easily serve all of the needs of several thousand users on essentially any website type for $1.50 a day.
Sure, if you throw in video and a lot of bandwidth then the number would go up, but for pictures and text and website interaction on the par of bluesky or twitter or mbin sans hosted video it would work very well.
If I reached the point where I needed to expand for the raw processing I can just throw another $1,000 and $45/month in electricity at it and double how much I can handle.
Computers are stupid cheap. Internet services are stupid cheap. Asking for more than a dollar a person per month for anything that doesn’t have licensing fees on it (like tv/movies) or very high bandwidth usage (like YouTube) is a greedy rip off.
That being said, at those prices I would not make anything for running the service, and that also would not cover additional development costs for any new features that needed to be added, but even so, unless your goal is to disenfranchise users you should not charge more than a buck a month or hell, $10 a year per person for all of their access to your service.
Selling literal shit at a restaurant also isn’t unfeasible if the customer doesn’t care about eating shit. But nobody is going to eat shit and nobody (normal) is going to pay $10+ a month to get mostly gimmick features. At a glance there’s barely anything useful in the API.
I hate subscription services. And I hate money-grubbing corps. Especially when they try to profit off of your own data.
That said, this is not that as infeasible as it sounds. The dev for Tessie reportedly has 400k users. That’s roughly $12.50/month per user. Modestly speaking, if the dev charged their users $13/mo, he’d profit $2.4 million per year. For $15/mo, he would profit $12 million per year.
That’s probably what Tesla is hoping their devs would do. And I’m sure a lot of Tesla owners could afford the fee.
You’re ignoring transaction costs.
Also $15/month is batshit insane.
Yes, I didn’t account for the transaction fees. But I believe my point still stands. If people find enough value in it, they’d probably pay for it; and that’s why Tesla is charging what they are.
I do agree with you about it being batshit crazy. If it were me, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to pay $15/mo for that. But I try to be a cheapskate where I can.
I would imagine most of those 400k users wouldn’t pay that much either.
We can probably look at the reddit paid API change as a real world approximation of free to paid conversions versus users just dropping usage. Not reddit usage overall, but a third party app that stayed and needed to start charging users because of the paid API. Not sure if there are any apps that stuck around and released that sort of information to reference.
Did any stick around? I thought they all folded.
Relay for Reddit (Android) is still going it seems.
RedReader is still going, and is still free. I’ve been using it since essentially its first release over a decade ago. I was the first to suggest the dev accept donations, around 4 years ago, as it’s a one-man job and it used to get regular updates. And the dev has stated he wants to add lemmy functionality alongside the existing reddit code, so users can switch between the two like an account switch, and maintain the UI they are fond of.
(I’m using Thunder currently while I want for RR lemmy support, but obviously I quite like the app, have recommended it to many)
Tesla is charging what they’re charging to eliminate competition, but still say they’re an open platform for anyone.
well that’s some solid bootlicking lol
how much does it cost tesla to provide API access? or we don’t discuss their costs structure and profit margin? we only do that for the guy doing the actual work lol
Not sure which side of the argument you’re taking. But, to answer your questions…
Not as much as they would want you to believe. Most APIs are written once, and only updated if a major change in the backend happens. The majority of any operating costs would go into cloud services, if the telemetry from the car is sent to Tesla first. I don’t own a Tesla, so I don’t know for sure. I would imagine it’s, because that would allow Tesla better metrics on app usage.
Whose? Tesla or the app developers? I’m not against a business making a profit. It’s kind of the point. They provide some sort of service, and as a customer we pay some sort of fee. The problem as I see it, some companies (like Twitter, Reddit, and Tesla for example) are not balancing the age-old “supply and demand” model of economics. Of course that’s my opinion.
Huh? Please explain.
I don’t get it. Why do people end their otherwise non-funny statements with “lol”?
Tesla tubby is price gouging.
You came. Explaining how this price is fine since the app dev can make some money based on some basic math while not doing the same for telsa tubby.
Why this bias? How much money is telsa making per head, what is their cost structure? Should you have discussed this if we gonna justify this price gouging trick?
“Lol” here is sarcasm btw
Ps. Since they are data mining you already, could at least fucking provide api access for free which was the model pre covid mostly.
Now these parasites are data mining you and want you to pay for it 🤡
At least people are taking notice but I doubt this corpo trash will revert unless end user starts punish their profits.
You’ve accounted only for the API pricing. They already charge 7-20 USD per month. So their prices are going to jump to 19.50-32.50 USD a month.
That’s not feasible.
And then there’s 20 apps at $15/month each which collectively costs like $2 to run
Per user costs for a website is on the number of pennies a month and most of that is for electricity.
I can plug in a $750 second-hand server with a xeon processor, 40 TB of storage and 128gb of ram and easily serve all of the needs of several thousand users on essentially any website type for $1.50 a day.
Sure, if you throw in video and a lot of bandwidth then the number would go up, but for pictures and text and website interaction on the par of bluesky or twitter or mbin sans hosted video it would work very well.
If I reached the point where I needed to expand for the raw processing I can just throw another $1,000 and $45/month in electricity at it and double how much I can handle.
Computers are stupid cheap. Internet services are stupid cheap. Asking for more than a dollar a person per month for anything that doesn’t have licensing fees on it (like tv/movies) or very high bandwidth usage (like YouTube) is a greedy rip off.
That being said, at those prices I would not make anything for running the service, and that also would not cover additional development costs for any new features that needed to be added, but even so, unless your goal is to disenfranchise users you should not charge more than a buck a month or hell, $10 a year per person for all of their access to your service.
Selling literal shit at a restaurant also isn’t unfeasible if the customer doesn’t care about eating shit. But nobody is going to eat shit and nobody (normal) is going to pay $10+ a month to get mostly gimmick features. At a glance there’s barely anything useful in the API.