I hope all these sources get on the same page soon because I have some old head friends who read all this stuff and believe he was a Chinese national working for the Iranians, set up next to snipers in a building cleared by locals. They say he was then confronted after he climbed a ladder but before he bear-crawled 25 feet to aim, only to be interrupted by local cops forcing him to fire quickly but was killed by snipers who had been watching him use a range finder for hours.
Please get it together, all these 50-year-old conspiracy theorists are going to start having heart attacks lol.
Gen X isn’t the problem here. It’s boomers. It’s always been boomers who were the problem.
Oh now there old friend, I wasn’t making a generalization as to a whole ass generation. I am sure I could commiserate with you as to the fuckery boomers have shit down our backs since they traded in free love for free hate but I try real hard not to drag ass on a bitch after 5pm if you get my meaning.
It’s the 1% vs the working class, not generation vs generation
Then Trump will only have 1% of the vote then, I feel better.
All that lead they consumed growing up. Distorted their brains and making them clinically insane.
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I’d suggest reading the article. It gives the play by play of how the events occurred. I think you’re reading headlines and then constructing your own picture of what happened.
Bless your heart, I read it right before I posted. Thank you kindly for the advice though.
At some point, everything I wrote was in an article just like this one, only citing “sources in (insert official entity here)” and always starting with “sources say.” Well, except for the Iranian one, that one was a separate incident but a buddy of mine mentioned it right before I read the post so I added it.
all these 50-year-old conspiracy theorists are going to start having heart attacks lol.
And that is a problem why?
Mainly because heart attacks suck and tend to kill but also because I’m not a heartless cunt wishing death on people just because they are stupid.
Also because the heart attacks of god fearing republicans was the goal all along! The Democrats, in concert with George Soros, devised this plan in 2020. By fixing the vote, it radicalized the Trump loving shooter setting up the situation for the shooter to be the cause of the heart attacks. Its an elaborate multi-pronged plan years in the making that is only now coming to fruition…and these liburls think good republicans are stupid enough to fall for it. Pizzagate!11!1!!! /s
in group text:
sends pic of shooter
“Hey, this guy looks kinda sus, huh?”
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Chief just now
“He’s just laying on the building maybe he’s just using the range finder to get a better view, idk though we’ll see what happens lol 😌”
Kudos for the layout formatting 👍
Thanks :D
At this point, I’m almost convinced they purposefully gave him the chance to take his shot.
This is such a clown show…
One sniper inside spotted the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, according to the officer who spoke to CBS News. The sniper observed Crooks as he returned to the building, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the local snipers took a picture of Crooks.
Next, the local sniper observed Crooks looking through a rangefinder, an instrument routinely used by marksmen to determine the distance of a target, and he immediately radioed to the command post, according to the local law enforcement officer. The local sniper also attempted to send the photo of the gunman up the chain of command.
Officials then lost track of Crooks, who disappeared, but soon returned for a third time with a backpack. The local sniper team called for backup — alerting the command post that the gunman had a backpack and was walking toward the back of the building.
Two other municipal police officers who heard the call for back-up attempted to climb onto the roof. Butler County Sheriff Michael Sloupe told CBS Pittsburgh station KDKA that an armed municipal officer with Butler Township was hoisted by another officer onto the roof of the building where the gunman had taken a position. Crooks focused his rifle towards the officer who ultimately let go, falling off the roof. Moments later, the shooter began firing into the crowd.
In a reasonable world, Crooks wouldn’t have even been allowed to go near the building. In a less reasonable world, Crooks would have been confronted by armed men as soon as they saw him look through a rangefinder. In a world that was the least bit reasonable, Crooks would have been shot the moment he took a gun out of his bag. But here we are.
You’re forgetting that this stuff is very often just security theater and many officers are playing dress up. When shit goes down, nobody is ever prepared even when they have the correct training.
Yea, but this was secret service. They’re supposed to be the best of the best. I guess not.
That’s the biggest problem–there is no best of the best. It’s all just hubris and who you are connected to. What separates someone in the secret service from a regular police officer is who they know and probably what sort of military background they have.
In a reasonable world Crooks wouldn’t have had that weapon to begin with
this is… ugh, so bad
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pulls out range finder from ~130 yards away. Proceeds to miss 7/8 shots completely on a 6ft3" 240lb man from the prone.
Didn’t the first shot only miss because Trump turned his head? After the first one you’ve got to deal with recoil/nerves.
No fucking way is trump 240.
Snopes said 244 I rounded down.
Don’t know if it’s true, but word is he’s been on Ozempic recently. He has lost a noticeable amount of weight, but 6’3" and 240, he definitely ain’t.
A 100 yard shot with iron sights is much harder than most people understand.
I didn’t hear anything suggesting he used irons, that’d be a very odd choice. Most modern ARs don’t come with irons or an optic and you can get red dots much better than just irons for under $200.
And irons would decidedly be harder but 100 yards still is very achievable by a novice who follows fundamentals.
Sorry, in this case I’m referring to no magnification. Your right that’s there’s a bunch of things that could be sights without it being irons.
The photos and media speculation seem to suggest that there wasn’t a scope.
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I still don’t think this is as easy as people make it out to be. Yes, a novice could put a tight grouping downrange - but could they do that on their first shot, on a hot metal roof, with adrenaline pumping.
I know it typically takes me a few rounds at the range to get dialed in.
Apparently, he tried to join his school’s rifle club but was rejected for having terrible marksmanship.
That’s so stupid, isn’t that kinda what school clubs are for
If you break Range rules, you get 86ed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’m just relaying what I read in the news. I agree that it’s dumb for a club (as opposed to a competitive rifle “team”) to be like that, but it’s allegedly what happened nonetheless.
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Yes
This is the fundamental problem with protecting a candidate whose entire base is really big on guns, big on having guns on them, big on using every inch of their already permissive rights, and no matter what, the candidate’s rally is a highly likely place for them to flex their pieces, even if they can only wave them around in the parking lot.
You can’t just do the obvious thing and put rounds in everyone you see with a rifle. White girls are going to be out in the parking lot doing influencer dances with AR-15s. The muzzle might wave in Trump’s direction while she boot scoots. We don’t know what kind of orders that sniper had, but probably something along the lines of “look all these fuckers are going to be strapped if they can be strapped, stay chilly on the trigger and think twice, take no shots without orders.”
By the time anybody acted like a clear threat, the bullets were already flying. So what if he had a rangefinder? That doesn’t count as a “pull trigger now” level threat, not with this crowd. What an absolute bastard of a thing to provide overwatch for, you know?
This is the fundamental problem with protecting a candidate whose entire base is really big on guns, big on having guns on them, big on using every inch of their already permissive rights, and no matter what, the candidate’s rally is a highly likely place for them to flex their pieces, even if they can only wave them around in the parking lot.
If police snipers started opening up on random people at a Trump rally who were simply parading around their most tacti-cool looking hardware, imagine how much safer the convention could be.
You can’t just do the obvious thing and put rounds in everyone you see with a rifle.
They absolutely can and they absolutely should. Treat the RNC like its Oakland during the OJ Riots or New Orleans during a hurricane. Just start blasting anyone who looks vaguely threatening and don’t stop until you feel safe again.
Anyone who argues otherwise simply isn’t serious when they say “Blue Lives Matter”. I mean, ffs, can you even imagine what the world would have lost if Thomas Matthew Crooks had adjusted his aim and hit one of our brave servicemen?
Every single American police officer needs to treat these thugs and their guns with absolute seriousness. Lives are on the line. And not just the lives of school children. Important ones.
You would think, though, that it would be a “get some guys with guns onto that roof before he comes back” sign. 20 minutes is plenty of time to get at least some guys with pistols/their own AR-15s over there to secure the area. Also, simply having the right to own and carry weapons doesn’t give you the right to point them at people intentionally, much less set up a sniper’s nest on a divisive public figure. If a random guy in the crowd started pointing his pistol at Trump, then I’m fairly certain that would give Secret Service the right to at least tackle the guy or tase him, not to mention all the other people who would rush to control him.
This is pretty much my thinking. The sniper likely thought the kid was setting up a picture from the rooftop or something, and didn’t want to shoot someone so young when they may very well be doing something harmless.
If only there was ONE MORE
GUNOFFICERSNIPERhe would NOT have been able to get a shot off!It takes seventy trigger happy good guys to kill… Somebody.
Kind of surprising they didn’t blast him as soon as he pulled out the rangefinder.
Can I assume the picture is in the article? No? Then it didn’t happen. /s
lol all comments preferring a fascist be shot than giving the chance to implement fascism get removed. Its just like reddit now.
Why did they try to kill hitler instead of just removing him smh
