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This is not being reported in the U.S. news media. Maybe you can argue it’s because it’s July 4th, but if this doesn’t come out in a major way tomorrow, I guess the fix is in.

“Trump’s name appears over and over again on Jeffrey Epstein’s message logs in the grand jury docs released this week. It is also undisputed: Trump’s name appears 7 times on Epstein’s private jet flight logs, that Epstein flew on Trump’s jet with a young girl of indeterminate age, girls who Epstein trafficked worked at Mar-A-Lago, a girl Epstein trafficked mentioned visiting Trump’s casino in a recently released deposition transcript. Trump said Epstein is a great guy who likes girls on the younger side, Trump frequently “partied” with Epstein, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell well at her criminal trial, and someone who testified under the pseudonym JANE DOE at the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal trial stated that she was introduced to Trump by Epstein when she was 14 years old,” a user posted on X.

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    There’s literally nothing Donald Trump could do that would make his worshipping voters change their minds about him. They believe anything critical of him is a lie and made up to hurt him politically. I can’t believe how dumb the electorate has become. Must be a general lack of education.

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      Must be a general lack of education.

      Republican politicians have long used language targeted at a 5th grade level of comprehension. Trump’s big innovation in politics was targeting a 4th grade level.

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        I often hear conservative family members complain about the public school system and calling for it to be dismantled. To them, the public school system is the reason for every evil the US faces, both on economic issues and social issues. They all listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and happily mix bible quotes and Rush Limbaugh quotes into the same sentence.

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            Yes, it’s the same family members who refused to do their part by getting vaccinated and were convinced that the rest of us would be dead by now from the “government poison vaccine.”

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      More education generally means richer.

      Rich people generally pay for better education.

      Children generally vote the same as their parents.

      Richer generally means more likely to vote republican.

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        More education generally means richer.

        Very US-centric take. College education should be part of the general public education system like it is in Europe. It should not be connected to a person’s net worth. In Europe, you go to college based on merits, not wealth.

        I also think it’s a very questionable conclusion to say that the more educated people are, the more they vote Republican. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Hence, Republicans have incentive to keep people as dumb as possible.

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          Very US-centric take.

          The republican part, certainly

          In Europe, you go to college based on merits, not wealth.

          In Europe the rich also pay for additional education to maximise their offsprings merits. Maybe not to the same degree, but it is there.

          I also think it’s a very questionable conclusion to say that the more educated people are, the more they vote Republican

          Agreed. I specifically avoided drawing that conclusion.

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            In Europe the rich also pay for additional education to maximise their offsprings merits. Maybe not to the same degree, but it is there.

            Maybe in a few countries like the UK, but expensive private education is not common in continental Europe. The best public universities are tuition free and provide some of the best education in the world. Rich and poor side by side in the auditorium.

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    This is just new evidence to support what has already been known. I would be surprised if this made the news considering it never made the news before.

    Yes, Trump is a rapist and a pedophile and not just an acquaintance of Epstein.

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    The article doesn’t really say anything other than phone records and flights. If the implication is that trump participated in sex trafficking, they need to say that and show proof. If they’re just trying to show guilt by association, it’s going to look like a smear job.

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      it’s going to look like a smear job.

      He said, ignoring that conservative “news” is exclusively smear jobs dressed up as news. If Republicans don’t have to care about decorum then neither do Democrats. If only we could actually learn this lesson.

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      Even if he didn’t directly participate, did he witness it? Turn a blind eye? I hope future reporting is clear what it is and is not evidence of, but I also hope people ask the very reasonable questions that follow from what we do know now.

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    epstein was a tax man helping wealthy people to exploit loopholes using complicated offshoring schemes. rich people hung out with him.

    also, trump supporters do not care about this.

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        If an Independent can look at how the Republican party conducts itself and still be undecided on who to vote for then they aren’t an Independent, they’re simply a Republican that’s socially aware enough to understand that calling themselves a Republican comes with more baggage than they want to take on.

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          I agree, but there are a lot of people with their heads (willfully or not) in the sand. All the wild stuff we’re all terribly aware of they have ignored or passed on because they didn’t have the time or motivation to dig into it and find the truth.

          Stories like this one, the SC immunity nightmare etc. are still useful because they act as a hook to pull people into the discourse from the sidelines and at the same time keep these things relevant amidst Trump’s unending firehose of falsehoods and projections

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            I understand what you’re saying and I think it’s a reasonable take, I just can’t fathom how there could be anyone left in America who hasn’t seen enough of Trump to make up their mind one way or the other. There’s just so much evidence of him being a piece of shit everywhere you look that even intentional avoidance can’t work for 8 years.

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          Hmm yes, just like all the “libertarians” who started showing up toward the end of W’s time in office.