Finland’s results in the European election bucked a continent-wide trend of rising support for parties on the outer fringe of right-wing politics, with the Left Alliance and the National Coalition winning big at the expense of the nationalist Finns Party.
Leftist leader Li Andersson received more votes than any other candidate has ever received in a European election.
The Finns are all too aware of what far-right government means, they’re living next to it, and it’s threatening their very existence.
Congratulations on the Fins voting against barbarism! Here’s to hoping the upcoming election here in the USA follows suit, and continues to reject reactionary nationalism.
The Finns are all too aware of what far-right government means, they’re living next to it
They’re living in it. The existing Finnish government was already on a hard-right tilt over the last ten years, and this election has resulted in a countercyclical backlash.
This isn’t a bunch of Finns saying “We don’t want to be like Russia.” It’s a bunch of Finns saying the National Coalition / True Finns suck fucking ass for cannibalizing their public sector in order to inflate their police sectors in an anti-migrant freak out.
The country has dipped into a recession following a slew of big cuts to social spending and economic lag caused by the war. And people justifiably don’t like that shit.
Oh, I didn’t know this! Thank you for that information. I hope the new government can materiality improve the lives of the public.
Fingers crossed. But it wouldn’t be the first time the ratchet of politics blocked left-wing reforms while turning effortlessly to the right.
They also have a (lesser than the neighbor) far-right government
I didn’t know that, thank you for informing me! Hopefully the new government can succeed in undoing any damage done by the previous government.
Some comments have pointed out that Finland already had a right-wing government going into this election, and I’ll admit that I was entirely unaware of this.
Again, I congratulate the Finnish public on rejecting right-wing and authoritarian politics, especially after having to suffer under it at home.
Again, I congratulate the Finnish public on rejecting right-wing and authoritarian politics, especially after having to suffer under it at home.
If only
The USA first needs a serious left wing party for that to be possible.
From the same country that gave us Linux, inspired Middle Earth’s Quenya (noble Elvish) language, and showed us how to properly manage prison reform.
My question: why are the Finnish always so awesome?
P.S. Contrary to what one failed former conspiracy-addled political “leader” suggested, the Finnish do not rake their forests.
When all people are cared for, no one turns bigot. This becomes a vertuous circle. “Simple as that”. Meanwhile France worked hard to release the kraken
Well, despite all the good work and against common sense, surprisingly many still turn bigot. But much less so, luckily.
Seems like some people just can’t be content and happy, no matter what. And you have to direct that anger or bitterness or whatever to something. Too often it’s hate.
Idk there’s lots of talk about how big of an issue racism is in Finland and True Finns did really well in last parliamentary electiond
I think it really goes back through history. Finland was a possession of Sweden and then Russia. The nobility would have spoken either of those languages depending on who was in charge, and ethnic Finns were essentially pawns for the larger powers, and the finnish language wasn’t even written down much.
This changed when Russia started to crack down on Finnish culture, leading to a surge in pro-Finnish sentiment. People even changed their names from Swedish versions to finnish versions, and went from using “Christian” names to names from finnish mythology or culture. Actually, it’s somewhat similar to how black Americans changed naming conventions in the Civil rights era. The very concept of finnish-ness was somewhat of a working class concept. This, combined with a similar law of jante type belief meant there was and is much more of a focus on the collective good than in other countries.
During the Russian revolution, a Civil War erupted between left wing and right wing, with the right wing wanting a German aristocratic monarchy over finland. The right wing actually won, but it was very short lived because Germany lost WW1 right aftwards, and a liberal democracy was formed. Finland was super poor, but started to build itself up as it’s own country.
When WW2 rolled around, most people are familiar with the Winter War where they held their ground against a Russian invasion. Most people aren’t as familiar with the Continuation War against Russia, where they (with the support of germany) continued to fight against Russia, or the Lapland war, where they actually had to fight against Germany to kick them out of the country. The Germans actually used scorched earth on finland as they retreated, knowing they were losing WW2.
After all of that, a huge swath of finland was destroyed by the Germans, or annexed by the Russians, leaving many homeless. Finland had to provide for those people, so homes were rebuilt rapidly throughout the country. Since they were in the soviet sphere of influence, but they weren’t a Warsaw pact country, they didn’t get any assistance from the eastern bloc (and they actually had to pay reparations as an axis country). They were also not included in the Marshall plan that helped provide recovery to western Europe.
They survived as a people by taking care of each other, and they are very proud of that. If you go to a Finnish museum, next to works of art and science, you’ll see things like the baby box, or other displays about the establishment of the welfare state. Many countries have a welfare system, but treat it like a dirty secret, while they celebrate what they were able to accomplish.
One last thing I think is really cool is that they are not afraid to experiment with policies. Many governments will do little trials of policy here and there, but not many go to the point of actually doing scientifically rigorous studies.
Don’t forget the music! Nightwish, Ensiferum, Finntroll, and many more…
Unfortunately it’s the opposite here in France and I’m devastated.
Congratulations to the Finns!!!
Well hopefully your population is intelligent enough to see through the lies after the populists take in to office. It’s usually when their incompetence shines right through as they’ll just start making excuses and keep blaming the opposition for their failures. It’s also the point where they usually start breaking most of the promises they made during the elections or while they where in the opposition.
The French also have history of not so peaceful protests so the people in the ivory towers need to take that in to account.
Thanks for the hopeful message.
I have no doubt the French far-right would fail miserably like every other EU far-right government, and I wouldn’t bother too much in other circumstances but those suckers are Putin’s friends and the last thing I want to see happening is the end of Ukraine’s support.
Macron just dismissed the government, and we’re up for new elections in two weeks. There’s a good chance that for the first time in the French Republic History we don’t have a single leftist voice at the government.
We are famous for our protests indeed, but with a far-right government cops will just feel allowed to do their worst, and we might reach chaotic levels of violence.
Anyway, thanks again for your message. We’re not there yet and I need to blow off some steam.
The French also have history of not so peaceful protests so the people in the ivory towers need to take that in to account.
They do, which is why they’ve invested so heavily in state police forces and surveillance technologies. France runs tight behind the UK in terms of over-policing of potential dissidents (re: poc, college kids, community activists) and cribs a lot of their techniques from the US and Israel.
Oh no they didn’t copy from the UK, it’s a thing going back straight to Vichy France. Have a look at the biography of this character.
Woof.
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If it does though, you down to fight?
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Nice. I’ll see you there, G. ✊🏼
Guys.
Finn here.
42 % turnout.
We still have a massive problem with rising nationalism and general right-wing rhetoric, don’t kid yourselves. It’s just that those morons don’t think EU elections matter.
Always good to have some insider info
ok but can you share the trick to keep the dicks from voting?
We could have a lot of nice things (like you’ve already got!) if we could, uh, drive the bus…
I’m moving to Finland.
I hope you know Finnish already or are really good with languages because it’s completely unrecognizable to people who speak most other European languages. My dad went to Helsinki in the 90s and said the only signs he could recognize were ones which had international logos like McDonald’s.
This is (according to a search) “I love you” in Finnish: minä rakastan sinua.
But yes, it sounds like a very nice place to live.
But yes, it sounds like a very nice place to live.
It gets a bit cold in the winter.
I just looked at the temperatures and honestly, it doesn’t get much colder than it gets here in Indiana and it doesn’t get as horribly hot either.
Besides, give it 10 years and climate change will make the Baltic coast feel like the French Riviera.
Winter is the nice season in Finland, the other one is swamp season.
I’m familiar with the language, I just don’t know it. But Finland is bilingual, as there is also a lot of
NorwegianSwedish spoken and many signs are inNorwegianSwedish too. I have less issues understandingNorwegianSwedish. Myself I’m Dutch, I’ve been to Finland several times. I’m not even going to try to learn the language, it’s really hard. But in major cities they speak English.Edit: I didn’t remember correctly the second language
A finnish person here. Our second language is swedish not norwegian :-). Aside from that, it is true that many signs etc. are written in both finnish and swedish. People working in public sector are also supposed to know swedish.
Outside of few swedish speaking areas you are better off using english as it’s more widely spoken by the general population.
Ah thanks for the correction. It has been a while since I’ve been there, I clearly didn’t remember correctly.
I just remembered that my dad said that about the same trip. That he was able to get around the city because pretty much everyone spoke English, so they could just help him out. The signage was the issue for him.
This was back in 1989 and, just by coincidence, this morning I found a postcard he sent me from Leningrad, because he got permission to take the train there from Helsinki. He wrote that he hoped one day I would learn about Peter the Great and visit the beautiful city he founded. Always the professor. Zero for two, unfortunately. I know basically nothing about Peter the Great and, even though the name St. Petersburg/Petrograd should be a clue, I didn’t even know he founded it.
Good for the Left Alliance.
Good to see a country buck the conservative trend going around lately.
Well I don’t think we really have, honestly.
It’s just that the inbred racists who are all too common don’t think these elections mattered.
Yeah. 42% turnout.
What I hear is that some European countries are leaning right on over-immigration and are voting on the basis of that issue.
Countries that aren’t going through that, aren’t voting right.
France and Germany were, so they went right. Portugal and Finland weren’t, so they went left.
In Finland that trick has gone already. Right wing ran immigration support to the ground so far right got votes with their campaign of “cars are burning and hand grenades are flying” (they’re not).
So hopefully this election is a first in the counter wave to that.
What did the right wing make of Russia’s stunts re: dumping migrants on the border? Where do they stand on putin etc? Thanks for insights from Finland, always wanted to visit.
They created a panic. Migration officials said that we’re not in a crisis, the capacity and logistics to help people across the border are good. The right wing government made a huge media hassle that the border needs to close and have been finding ways to continue it indefinitely without a real solution to make the situation workable. Now they’re trying to pass the evaluating of each migrant to the border control workers (they’re protesting) instead of professionals.
The far right party has many connections to Russia (and China) but have shifted their communication to hide that. They’ve voted against sanctions towards Russia but their main nazi has done doctorate work on Ukraine and seems conflicted on his allegiances.
appreciate the details!
Russia was (I don’t know the current status) playing games on the border by dumping thousands of migrants at once - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-says-thousands-migrants-seek-enter-via-russia-2024-02-20/
My god I want to emigrate over there so bad.
I’m quite curious if this was due to leftwing parties changing the way they talk and going back to politics anchored on principles or if it was something else.
In my own country (Portugal) mainstream supposedly-left are soft neolibs, then there are the Communists (sadly mere slogan parroters invariably putting Party above Principle and hence amongst other things supporters of Putin) and the “thinking” Left who are quite out of touch middle class scions of the middle class (well intended-ish but societally ignorant people who were born with a silver spoon on their mouths and live in a very local - in a country were half the population is emigrated, almost none have actually lived abroad - bubble of relative priviledge) whose style of presentation is the same as the politicians from the “supposedly-left mainstream party” and who have copied the liberal take on Equality (from America, a country that pretty much only has hard-right and far-right, so it’s hardly a leftwing “equality for all” take) rather than the principled, identity-agnostic take on Equality. Also they obcess about the far-right, in practice helping them grow (it’s a well known phenomenon in Propanda that if a Party is constantly talked about by others, even if only to criticise them, they get perceived as important and end up growing). Unsurprisingly the entire mainstream is losing votes just like everywhere else, the alternative Left has recently collapsed to half the size it one was and only the far right is growing (which in my country is one ultra-neolib party and a fascist one).
It would be great if the Left in Finland had found a solution for this that’s culturally-agnostic and hence applies all over Europe directly, rather than be dependent on the kind of cultural factors that take the 4 decades or so these things usually take to get to Portugal from Northern Europe.
Wow they are so resistant to the so called “right wing” putinist degeneration.
