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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

Russia Has Opened Up a New Front. What Comes Next?

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Russia Has Opened Up a New Front. What Comes Next?

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago
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Opinion | Russia Has Opened Up a New Front. What Comes Next?
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Things for Ukraine are likely to get worse before they get better.
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  • NovaPrime@lemmy.ml
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    More murder. There. Saved you a pointless article read.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      The west will fight this to the last Ukrainian, or until US elections are over. Whichever comes first I suppose.

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        It seems to me that the Ukrainians themselves want to fight this invasion as well.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          not sure where you got that idea https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

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            From here: https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559

            And here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx

            And here: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/beyond-the-counteroffensive-84-of-ukrainians-are-ready-for-a-long-war/

            As a matter of fact, your article shows the conscription is unpopular, particularly among people being conscripted. It does not show that the majority of people in Ukraine do not support the fight against the Russian invasion. It was disingenuous of you to provide that article to infer otherwise.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              So your counter point to the regime literally abducting people off the street is to provide propaganda statements from the regime and the ghouls at the Atlantic Council? 🤡

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                The source is unbiased and objective in terms of demonstrating that the majority of Ukrainians support the fight against the Russian invasion.

                I don’t expect moral perfection from a country that is fighting for its survival against a more powerful aggressor. Yes, conscription is awful. Ukraine has allowed many exceptions but the alternative is to surrender their country to the real ghouls here, which is the Moscow regime that has raped and murdered innocent civilians from Bucha to Mariupol.

                There would be no need for conscription if Russia had not invaded Ukraine, and conscription would end tomorrow if Russia would turn around and go home.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  If you think that Atlantic Council is an unbiased source there’s no point talking with you further.

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          Zelensky’s approval rate is in the gutter. What do you really think?

          I think you’re not understanding the perception of government in Eastern Europe. The mountains are high and the emperor is far away.

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            Citation needed. Don’t worry, I already found one for you: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-as-a-ukrainian-im-not-surprised-by-volodymyr-zelenskys-declining/

            According to KIIS, his approval rating has declined sharply, to 60%. Hardly “in the gutter”.

            But wait, isn’t KIIS a biased regime source?! They were the same whose survey showed that the majority of Ukrainians support the fight against the Russian invasion. Hmm, I guess regime polls and stats agencies are only biased when they demonstrate facts that don’t support your narrative. As long as they support your pro-Russian message then you can use their data freely.

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    Are a couple hundred thousand dead Russians not enough for Putin? Does he get off on more dead Russians? He needs to stop the death of Russians by getting them out of Ukrainian territory.

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