In video of the April 18 encounter, Frank Tyson can be seen lying motionless on the floor of a bar for more than 5 minutes before police check him for a pulse.
The Canton Police Department in Ohio has released body camera video from the night a 53-year-old man died after he repeatedly told officers “I can’t breathe” as he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back and he was pinned to the ground.
In video of the encounter on April 18, the man, Frank Tyson, can be seen lying motionless on the floor of a bar for more than 5 minutes before police check him for a pulse and about 8 minutes before CPR is started.
In the nearly 36-minute video, police respond to the scene of a single-car crash to find a downed power pole and an unoccupied vehicle with the driver’s side door open and an airbag deployed.
I don’t understand why officers always ignore people when they ask for medical help. If someone says they can’t breath, that’s a clue that you should do something different, not leave them on the floor handcuffed.
How is it that police are still trained to respond to situations this way? The negligence is obvious. This isn’t the same as what happened with George Floyd, but nonetheless very negligent.
It’s because they don’t see them as people, they see them as violent criminals that the world would be better off without.
If you step into their shoes for a minute, and one of the criminals you just successfully took off of the streets said they can’t breathe, your first thought might be “good. Maybe that’ll teach you a lesson about doing crimes in my neighborhood.” Your second might be “I wish I could shoot you right now and get this over with, but maybe I’ll get lucky and I can say I didn’t hear you.”
Note that the second one is inherently a stupid thought, there’s body cams. That kind of logic didn’t stop my 5-year-old from telling me she cleaned her room when I could easily check and find out she didn’t, and it won’t stop cops from fantasizing about everything working out here.
That’s exactly why they do things that way. They’re living out a fantasy world where there are no real rules and there are no consequences, and they have to live a balancing act between indulging in that and dealing with reality. Sometimes cops fail to balance that, and that’s what we see here.
As for who trains them, it’s their fellow cops. This isn’t a bunch of individual fantasies, these men work and train and talk together about how it’d be so much better if they had less restrictions and just talk about that hypothetical world. New cops who have any kind of racism or similar “My group is best” can join the conversation and add in their own unique version to the group fantasy. New cops who aren’t already racist, though, won’t hear blatant racism. No, they will just hear about crime stats and reoffending rates, about cops that died trying to deal with all the supposed crime, and about how stopping them is justice and will help everyone, not just cops. In time they’ll share the group fantasy, too, and stop seeing their victims as people. Occasionally someone just doesn’t join in the fantasy and they get bullied until they quit.
This is why the easiest way to move forward from this kind of thing is to gut the police departments and start over, or we at least need bodycams that can’t be turned off so easily.
It’s because they don’t see them as people, they see them as violent criminals that the world would be better off without.
If you step into their shoes for a minute, and one of the criminals you just successfully took off of the streets said they can’t breathe, your first thought might be “good. Maybe that’ll teach you a lesson about doing crimes in my neighborhood.” Your second might be “I wish I could shoot you right now and get this over with, but maybe I’ll get lucky and I can say I didn’t hear you.”
Conservatives in general think this way. That’s why there was a desperate need to find something to blame Trayvon Martin for to justify Zimmerman’s killing him. It’s why they bring up the fact that Kyle Rittenhouse killed a registered sex offender as if Rittenhouse was somehow aware of that. It’s why they bring up the fact that Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes, as if that should have been a death sentence.
And so on and so on.
Maybe, but it didn’t used to be this way even as recently as the 80s. And it isn’t like this in most other countries (at least the European ones km aware of).
It’s a cultural thing, and training, and it can be fixed, we just have to want to fix it bad enough. No idea what will be the tipping point. George Floyd wasn’t enough, so I’m not sure what if anything will be. Or if we’ll just go deeper I to this police state mentality where everything is an us vs them situation.
What talking about cops Always been this way. Especially in the 80’s and 90’s when we didn’t have recordings devices. Remember Rodney King?
Are you too young to remember the Rodney King protests? They literally had to call in the Marines and the Army to quell them. That was in 1991, and a result of police brutality against an unarmed Black man.
Edit: Wanted to add that police in general came from slave patrols. It was a racist institution designed to instill terror into people of color from the very beginning. It was never about “serving and protecting.”
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Yes, I was a baby in 1991. I don’t have data, but I’ve heard anecdotes from former police officers that police training has changed significantly since the 80s.
It’s definitely become much more militarized.
I don’t disagree with that, but it would be false to say that police brutality directed at people of color is a new thing. That’s always been there.
I never said police violence directed at people of color was a new thing.
My point, which I think wasn’t very clear bcz I worded it poorly is that police are trained to draw their guns immediately today and shoot to kill. That didn’t used to be the case.
That, I do agree with. It’s been militarized in the last 20-30 years for sure.
The militarization accelerated due to events where the police took an ass whoopin like the North Hollywood bank robbery.
Maybe don’t believe police officer anecdotes?
Warrior training has taken like wildfire, they’re trained to do anything to survive and put into the mindset that if they don’t kill they will be killed.
Thanks to that shitbag Grossman they get all the violence with none of the rules of engagement
There just wasn’t high definition evidence from the time youre thinking of. Give this 20 years and I bet any video recordings of average police behavior will be “deepfakes”.
Nothing to see here citizen. Now pick up this can…
It’s always happened. There just used to not be cameras all around all the time.
Rodney King was the 90s George Floyd.
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I used to be an EMT (am going to be working as one again soon) and where I worked we had some good cops and some real shitty cops who had no business being cops, but one thing that they all had in common was that the rules were if someone asked for medical help, they had to call the ambulance. Didn’t matter if it looked like obvious bullshit, all the departments in the area I worked had a blanket policy that they weren’t medical professionals and they couldn’t make that decision. You could have a tiny little cut on your finger and ask for medical help and even the shittiest cops would sigh and call for EMS. These cops infuriate me. How many more people have to get murdered? If someone asks for help fucking help them and sort out the details later.
Because cruelty is the point.
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Did you even read the article? This was a case of very clear negligent.
they care nothing for the people they “protect and serve” only for the power they’re allowed to wield
Yes, there’s literally a Supreme Court case stating that police have no obligation to protect and serve. Why are you ranting at me about something very off topic?
I understand people are just overall frustrated, but this entire comment you made has nothing to do with the article, or this particular police interaction.
I’d guess there are a lot of people who make excuses when getting arrested, and saying you are having a medical emergency is an easy one. If you’re a cop who sees this a lot, you would eventually start assuming everything people say was just an attempt to get pity or leniency.
The other possibility is that all cops are bastards… But I’m guessing its a mix of the two.
ACAB
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I guess something more drastic then the George floydd protests is required.
Something like a schmevolution.
This shit again!?! gumbles while digging out body armor mutters under breath, these fucking idiots need to lose their god damned jobs… they won’t even get jail time OK I’m ready… ACAB and all that puts on gas mask lets do this shit again
ACAB
I live near Canton. I cannot express the rage, disappointment, and sorrow I feel at this. I fucking hate having the conversations. It is so soul crushing to hsct to explain to loved ones who get brainwashed that “killing bad”.
Yeah do Yankees like to kill Black men?
“Yankees”? The title clearly states that this happened in Ohio, which is about 500 miles away from New York.
Clearly a Mets fan. Everyone else is a Yankee to them.
As a Mets fan and expat thousands of miles away from Shea (fuck Citi), yeah… This is how life feels. Even now.
I’m not defending the police here, but could this man have had a heart attack due to the presence of drugs or alcohol in his system, combined with the fact that his heart rate was elevated by resisting arrest? He does not appear to be in good physical condition. I see that his stomach looks a little distended and he sort of waddles as he took steps around the bar area. I’m not condoning the knee on the back, or the amount of elapsed time before checking for a pulse, but I think they should conduct a toxicology test and publish the report soon. Also, the article claims he crashed his car before running into the bar. He might have sustained injuries from the crash, and then exerted himself by running from the scene. There is a lot that occurred in this incident before the police arrived at the bar.
“I’m not defending police here” procedes to defend police
No.
I’m not defending the police here, but
Oh boy, here we go.
could this man have had a heart attack due to the presence of drugs or alcohol in his system, combined with the fact that his heart rate was elevated by resisting arrest
Totally. He could have also died from a brain aneurysm, aliens, a very advanced case of SIDS, or a witch’s curse. Or, you know, maybe he died from the whole not being able to breathe thing that was actually happening.
He does not appear to be in good physical condition. I see that his stomach looks a little distended and he sort of waddles as he took steps around the bar area.
He didn’t look like he was in great shape? Only fitness buffs and marathon runners with no booze in their systems get to live though being cuffed? Tf is wrong with you.
Why are you getting so upset? He’s taking a very rational approach and asking relevant questions.
You should really work on your insecurity.
Funny, I remember the same question being asked about George Floyd… he had a heart condition, you see.
Do you think any of those things you suggested are more likely than the cause of death being the knee in his back?
