Said it before, I’ll say it again:
It’s been shown the software is still not ready for production by interfering with emergency services, public transit, and normal traffic. These companies need to send these vehicles with a driver until the software is ironed out. We suspend human drivers for such actions. We must extend the same expectations and consequences to driverless vehicles.
If a human driver blocked an ambulance and caused a patient death, they’d be imprisoned for wrongful death. Cruise wants to roll out their software in this state, let them shoulder the legal and financial consequences.
This is a pretty good read. Tldr, they are already safer than your average driver.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/are-self-driving-cars-already-safer-than-human-drivers/
Seems like clickbait, stirred up by the fire department.
“This delay, no matter how minimal, contributed to a poor patient outcome,” the fire department wrote.
This was written into what, the EMS call report (“records reviewed by the reporter”)?
Generally EMS reports are not a place to opine as to medicolegal causation, so this is an odd detail to include. I think EMS would report an egregious failure to yield to police. They might note in the call sheet that a vehicle delayed the trip by X seconds, but the inclusion of specific blame is just so out of place.
Further, EMS is a profession of first aid, not pathology, epidemiology, and outcomes. Especially not without reviewing medical records of the subsequent treatment and outcome at the hospital, probably even medical records from prior the event, too, they are not competent to give such an opinion.
The statement itself proves my point. This delay, “no matter how miniminal, contributed to a poor patient outcome.” Sounds like something an EMS driver would say. I’m reading hints of grandiosity and road rage, road indignation, really. Really, no matter how minimal? That’s not logical. My $0.02.
As someone who works in emergency medicine, this article sounds very overdramatic. If the patient was so unstable they died receiving care in the back of an ambulance, odds are they weren’t going to live in the hospital either
“Cruise’s Origin is a purpose-built electric AV, built with no steering wheel or pedals for a human driver.”
This isn’t the AIs fault. Driver-less vehicles are meant to have passengers. If they don’t, they should not be in traffic. The passengers should have the option to turn off auto-drive and get out of the way. Having a car without a steering wheel is like making a “fully-fully automatic gun: No trigger. It just shoots what it sees as people until it is out of bullets.”
this brings up a good question. Can you sue the maker of these cars for wrongful death?
Maybe we need to uprise against the AI
I get that “man bites dog” is more newsworthy, as they say. But can we stop a tick and internalize that a human driven car hit and killed someone, and we’re talking about how it’s the autonomous car’s fault for adding a slight delay!
Give me a break. An ambulance being stuck in traffic by idiot drivers is nothing new. The autonomous cars may even kill people at a rate we’re uncomfortable with. They’re still gonna be better than humans. Humans are terrible drivers. Autonomous cars can’t come soon enough, and yes, I say that even as someone who prefers transit. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
They’re still gonna be better than humans.
They aren’t yet and once they are, we can stop having this discussion. Until then…
there sure are a lot of duplicate posts on lemmy
I still say there’s not enough benefit to justify replacing human drivers with these.
Everybody is blaming the driverless cars but who is blaming the ambulance for putting itself in that situation? A driverless car can’t be at fault, it always does what it should. Humans are the ones who make mistakes.
