The suspected gunmen “tried to hide and moved toward Ukraine,” Russian president says in televised address. Kyiv denies any involvement.
Russia’s President Vladimir Putin on Saturday suggested that terrorists who killed at least 133 people in Friday night’s attack at a Moscow concert hall were helped by someone based in Ukraine, without providing evidence.
Ukrainian officials have denied any involvement in the massacre, for which Islamic State has claimed responsibility. It was one of the deadliest attacks on Russian soil in recent years.
Putin said 11 people have been detained in the killings, including the four gunmen. “They tried to hide and moved toward Ukraine, where, according to preliminary data, a window was prepared for them on the Ukrainian side to cross the border,” Putin said in a speech on Russian television Saturday.
Putin’s government was warned weeks in advance and dropped the ball badly. Now they need to turn bad press into useful press by placing blame on Ukraine so Russia stays focused on that war. I sincerely doubt they have the military power available to start meaningful reprisals against Islamic State in Afghanistan.
Putin ran a false flag terrorist operation to get into power in the first place. Attempting to redirect the blame for an actual terrorist attack (assuming, of course, it’s not just another false flag) would genuinely be less extreme - and, in point of fact, the 1999 apartment bombings had like 3x the death and injury counts that this attack had.
I genuinely can’t decide if this is a false flag or not.
I feel this isn’t a false flag operation because it makes him look bad.
- the US warned them about this operation. 2)Putin publicly said that the West was only making up those lies to cause issues within the country.
- there did not appear to be clear indication of who committed the attack. A better false flag would have been making it look more like a Ukrainian operation.
Maybe I’m wrong, but it looks more like Russia got caught with their pants down, with the us pre-emptive rubbing dirt in the wound.
That’s precisely my point
I’m not saying they dropped the ball on purpose but they obviously had some knowledge about it. Though authoritarian regimes don’t tend to be good at security either way. They’re good at oppression, but that’s not the same thing.
Wouldn’t potential reprisals happen in Syria?
I don’t know - it’s possible as I’ve heard of Islamic State being linked to several nations. However, OP’s article mentions Afghanistan specifically:
“A U.S. intelligence official told The Associated Press that U.S. intelligence agencies had learned the group’s branch in Afghanistan was planning an attack in Moscow and shared the information with Russian officials.”
Good point
Syria, or more precisely supporting Assad to ensure they keep their port, is why Russia is in ISIS’ crosshairs. Why wouldn’t ISIS strike in Moscow if they get the chance?
Ahh yes. Putin is warned. Putin chooses to allow it. Putin blames Ukraine, justifying more action against Ukraine. Russian media are forced to parrot Putin, convincing half the country, and the other half stay silent or fall out of a window.
makes it kinda sound like a false Flag.
But then again, ISIS took credit for it.
ISIS worked really hard for you to just give the credit to someone else you prick
Why would he need any evidence for that? He has more than enough propaganda outlets to spin information and lies however he likes. Without those, he would have been out of job years ago
Doesn’t matter if it is false flag is not. The narrative will always be to blame Ukraine. This is really to feed the local population for either buy-in for more mobilization (rumors of spring/summer offensive).
He won’t say, oopsie my 350k FSB apparatus screwed up. That will be done in the background with some mysterious window diving.
Obviously the Ukrainian Islamist Nazis are responsible for Russia ignoring national security intelligence.
Pooty Poot: How can we make our illegal and outrageous war in Ukraine more illegal and outrageous? Aha! I’ve got it!
CIA trying really hard to cover their tracks here lmao
Shhh go back to eating the crayons
I point to the US and the CIA
Who let you out of lemmy.ml?
Bullet-proof arguments you bring to the table there bud. /s
Wouldnt be the first time the US staged events to trigger larger scale war. Remember when the US planned Operations to bomb civilian areas of Miami to blame Cuba in Operation Northwoods. Lied about WMD to invade other countries?
And how is that proof for this attack? You could use the same argument with Putin with his Moscow Apartment Bombings. Those weren’t just some hypothetical plan.
There is nothing here pointing towards a Russian false flag. It simply seems like ISIS being the horrible terrorist organization it is.
I have no love for the CIA but why is a self-named anti-colonialist defending an autocratic, imperialistic, murderous, kleptocracy? Capitalism sucks and the USA has all sorts of horrible problems but is really Putin and his thugs really what want to get behind?
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
Point to where I defended anyone. I was pointing out the US has a history of false flags and pointing fingers at other groups as a precursor to a larger event.
