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    In reality, far from stopping the far right, Germany is implementing a far right agenda. Increase police authority? Check. Scapegoat immigrants and other marginalized groups? Check. Build up the military? Check. Suppress protests and dissenters? Check. Impose austerity, providing the fertile ground for fascists? Check.

    By the time the AfD comes to power, they won’t have to do anything. The liberals (including socdems and greens) will already have created a fascist society.

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      These are a lot of statements without sources. Also most people would disagree with the statement that a government that includes social democrats and greens is implementing a “far right agenda”.

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        Fucking Scholz said he wanted to “finally deport in a big way” (“endlich im großen Stil abschieben”). This is (well used to be) a far right agenda. They’re sending weapons to Israeli fascists while they commit genocide, and defend them at every opportunity. These people support fascists and fascist policies.

        What exactly do you even dispute is untrue about what I said?

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    Stopping the rise of the far right is trivially easy, and government holds the levers. Just do two things:

    1. reduce immigration
    2. tax the wealthy

    Seems they would rather lose to nazis than do those two things.

    Edit: seems more than a few of you are rushing to lose to Nazis too

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      Taxing the rich is what the current government wants. The right wing does not want that.

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    Today, German lawmakers are rewriting bylaws and pushing for constitutional amendments to ensure courts and state parliaments can provide checks against a future, more powerful AfD. Some have even launched a campaign to ban the AfD altogether.

    You see, democracy is when…

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      I’ll help you with this sentence:

      … it defends itself against an undemocratic power.

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        Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people to have a say in their systems of governance.

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            And it is fixed when you understand that it is a social contract. You breach the contract? Then tolerance no longer applies to you.

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          Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people a party that wants to dismantle the democratic state and bringing in nothing than hate to have a say in their systems of governance.

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            Maybe if you want to prevent such a hypothetical future the democratic solution is to offer something better for people to vote for, instead of using threats of violence by employing the law to enforce your systems.

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              There is and never will be a perfect system of whatsoever. I’d rather watch them nazi party get forbidden than waiting for a solution that will come in place when it is already too late.

              And unless you aren’t a nazi, putin follower or trumpist, I don’t know why I even have to explain why a German future with a nazi party at its front will be no good for nobody.

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                The solution being proposed here to prevent authoritarian systems is… other authoritarian systems. Can you understand why people see this as a problem brewing?

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          Checks and balances are about preventing a small faction of the government from gaining absolute control of the entire government. It’s not about preventing a say, it’s about preventing a total takeover that prevents anyone else from having a say in the future.

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      L take. AES countries which are actual democracies do the same thing.

      Though of course, banning it isn’t gonna go anywhere for Germany unless they tackle the root cause of capitalism.