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Exactly. Watching this all play out is strikingly similar to watching Trump get away with a mountain of stuff that would have put a poorer person in jail, and yet, no consequences.
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Problem is the united states is running out of ammo to send. Thinking one small war could blow through our reserves so quickly is concerning.
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It was shot. That is where it went. Where else do you think ammo would go? We hold a stockpile back for our defense but we sent the majority to ukraine. We have one factory that makes ammo and that’s it.
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Personal stockpiles? Do you think the average American has 155mm round sitting in their home? Rifle rounds are not the issue.
Ukraine needs heavy weapon rounds. We have one factory that makes 155mm rounds. I can’t remember which one stinger or javelin, they had to restart the line that had been shutdown.
People complain about our military spending but that is what it cost to keep the capability to have a large war.
Currently, our production is around 14K 155mm rounds a month. Ukraine was shooting that every few days. Biden is working hard to increase the capacity, but we are talking about a specialized production.
I think the takeaway from this is that we have not seen a war like this in a very long time. The amount of ammo each side is shooting is insane.
A quick google will find you many sources on this topic as it has become a huge issue. If we had another war, Taiwan for example, we would run out of ammo in days.
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It was fascinating when the topic came up. I just always assumed we had idle capacity ready to go. That is why we spend so much to have that capacity.
It turns out that we just spend a lot but don’t have extra capacity.
Here is just one of the many articles on it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-increasing-production-of-155mm-artillery-shells-2023-1
Currently, the US produces just over 14,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition every month. As The Washington Post reported last month, Ukrainian forces have previously fired that many rounds in the span of 48 hours.
This is what scares me - the idea that we could run out of conventional weapons during a hot war, and start having to think of all those nukes lying around “doing nothing”
Some powers really are too much for humans. We’re not ready
That is my concern as well. That we will run low, start at o lose and then go nuclear
Nobody wants a war between NATO and Russia because in that scenario, everybody loses.
Russia wouldn’t win a ground conflict, but they’d sure-as-hell nuke the fuck out of every major city.
That would be the end of Russia and they know it.
The Lithuanian foreign minister sums up the response thus far very well here.
“We declare red lines for ourselves, but not for Russia. We publicly tie our own hands while leaving Putin free to pillage, rape and destroy. We create strategic transparency, not strategic ambiguity. It’s time to change course.”
I know the Baltics have more skin in the game but I have to say politically they are playing an absolute blinder at the moment. Just hard spoken, no nonsense, absolute facts coming out of each of them along with such great support.
Hats off to them.
Not only is this someone talking but it’s talking about postulating about someone else’s inner thoughts. Not an event, not a change. Not fucking news.
nobody wins or loses. it’s decades of civilian deaths and economic devastation, until someone decides to quit. people think everything is ww2 it’s just not like that.
The weapons manufacturer win!
Also, the west gets to get rid of the old weapons that would otherwise have to be destroyed, while also burning through Russia’s materiel.
Don’t forget the nuclear waste and banned cluster bombs
China would win. China is supplying Russia but China is not an ally of Russia. China would stop Russia the moment it’s no longer beneficial, which would be when NATO and Russia start fighting. China doesn’t care who wins, they win either way. If Russia loses China can take eastern Russia. If NATO loses, China can take Taiwan. If both wipe each other out China becomes the sole superpower.
I’d better get back to studying Mandarin.
News flash! One nation can’t win vs the strongest military country of the world + an entire continent of it’s allies!
I’m not entirely sure on that, because whatever intel he’s getting fed on there war, has to be the best horseshit ever. I don’t think that even Putin can ignore ~15.000 lost vehicles.
Meaning, he could very well believe he’d win.
When you have a madman threatening nuclear confrontation, when does the probability of a first strike that might prevent significant retaliation have fewer megadeaths than being the victim of a first strike? This is the problem with sustained nuclear sabre rattling. What if its taken seriously?
Vova will start chucking nukes around and blame the west if he gets in a losing position.
Nowdays being a clown is really well paid
Rhetoric is spinning up, and there’s apparently more people on here that like the idea of a literal third world war than are against it. Manufacturing consent really is the name of the game.
From the same people that claimed the Ukraine issue would be resolved in a few weeks, and Russia days from defeat dozens of times since it started. Putin has cancer and wont survive much longer, Russia was using WWII shovels to fight. NATO and the US doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it. The MIC doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it.
Why would they want to prolong it?
Because this war brings in shit ton of money for way too many people around the world. The only ones suffering are Ukrainians. Heck, even North Korea got their economy booming! 2022 and early 2023 were tough, but oh boy the war profits started rolling in!
It’s making them richer than they already are.
Let’s exercise to defuse the situation instead. This guy like the kid at school who shouts “fight fight fight” at school!
You know what would defuse the situation? Russia getting the fuck out of Ukraine for starters!
Please volunteer at the front line 😀
I’ll be sure to bring extra ammo bb <3
That reminds me, I should donate to the Ukrainian defense effort again, thanks!
