Link: https://nitter.net/TeamFortressS2/status/1745157814295617767
Valve is generally supportive of mods (hell, a Portal 2 mod was just released a few days ago) but it seems like recreating Team Fortress 2 was pushing it… Really sad, honestly. I really hope Valve would just strike a deal with these devs and make it official rather than throw away the insane amount of effort they put into re-building TF2.
Portal 2 isn’t an ongoing live online multiplayer game with in game purchases.
Making a Portal mod is much different than possessing and using the original source code of a game. I don’t understand why they thought they could get away with such a high-profile title as TF.
Seems like they were already planning on stopping the project anyways, Valve’s DMCA just happened to come while they were already deliberating on it:
While we were discussing the project’s future internally recently, we already came to the conclusion to stop the development of the project due to the current state of the code being unusable anymore with s&box’s recent major engine changes, and that we overall moved on from it.
Sadly, this means this DMCA takedown is the nail in the coffin. We cannot bring it back and we’ve hit Valve’s attention, it seems like they definitely don’t want us to use their IP (which is totally fair and legal from them).
if there’s one rule to modding valve games, it’s “don’t touch GabeN’s hat and skin sales”. TF2 despite being a real mess and valve’s server being practically unplayable, still brings in millions of dollars of gambling money, and now that CS2 keys are not tradable TF2 keys are in demand for laundering money. of course they are gonna take down a direct remake of their live service game minus all the bots and shitty cosmetics.
I’d be more supportive of Valve if Team Fortress 2 wasn’t a dumpster fire to play in 2024. The game is infested with bots that make anything outside of independently moderated community servers unplayable.
Even Counter Strike 2 has dogshit anticheat despite the boasts that VAC Live was a solution that could surpass Vanguard, to the point where the only good competitive experience you can have is to play on FaceIt or ESEA servers with their own ring 0 anticheat solution.
If you can only have a good experience by installing malware, you don’t have a good experience.
I really should finish building that nvidia jetson based hardware anticheat that’d allow anyone to cheat even in vanguard protected games with perfect accuracy for just ~150$. Ring 0 anticheat’s only use is to spy on you and yet people will continue defending it until someone’s proven just how useless it is.
I don’t play Valorant, but I never heard my friend that does getting pissed at cheaters over there, compared to my friends that play CS2.
Can only speak for the higher ranks of both games but cs2 is currently unplayable above 25k elo since its almost guaranteed to have 1 out of 10 players cheating. While i only encounter a few cheaters each season in immortal in Valorant.
Valve seems okay with TF2 mods on the older engine… See https://tf2classic.com/
I feel like the TF2Classic ran into dmca issues earlier in their dev cycle as well.
Edit: yes they did https://twitter.com/tf2classic/status/1436328611485818880
it’s also important to consider that recreating an entire game like Tunnel Rush Team Fortress 2 would involve legal and intellectual property considerations.
When does valve drop everything 3? There must be development for all the sequels working in the background, right?
no I don’t think so. they run steam instead.
Being a TF2 fan is fucking suffering…
being a valve fan is fucking suffering.
They used to make great games, but they have no need to anymore cause steam brings in $$$$Texas.
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It seems like it would have been a lot more friendly to have reached out personally first instead of via lawyers initially. Seems like these guys would have been receptive.
Maybe there’s some legal reason they couldn’t, but doesn’t seem like it to me.
how do you know they didnt
I guess I don’t. I would have assumed the team would have mentioned it. Especially if there was communication, but it moved forward to DMCA request anyway (i.e. there was a disagreement or something). But seems like the team would have responded pretty quickly.
But yeah, I don’t know for sure.
Still, it seems way more likely that Valve legal just went straight to DMCA.
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If I had to guess a real reason why: a new TF game in Source 2, or something similar is in the works at Valve. It may never make it out of pre-production, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
It would surprise me if they did it to capitalize on Overwatch, which would show that Valve leadership can’t make an original idea, and is chasing an also-ran that’s not successful.
Team Fortress 3? Everyone knows that Valve can’t count beyond 3.
And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to two. No more. No less. Two shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be two. Three shalt thou not count, nor either count thou one, excepting that thou then proceed to two. Four is right out. Once the number two, being the second number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.”
lol did these morons really think they were going to get away with literally trying to steal an IP? ROFL
Life lessons for these people.
This comment would only make sense if they were being indignant about it.
Yeah, how dare they make something enjoyable for the community! Everyone should suffer under valve’s dragging of their feet over TF2 promises.
Everyone should suffer under valve’s dragging of their feet over TF2 promises.
Ah so because Valve isn’t updating the game on an interval you’re ok with that gives them the right to steal IP?
You can make anything you want for the community. But if you do it while stealing an IP then that puts you in the wrong.
It’s pretty simple kid.
IP laws should have a “use it or lose it” clause to be honest. Otherwise companies become lazy and repackage the same shit in a new skin that you have to pay for.
