I have my problems with Meta, but I’m hoping this will help Mastodon grow
Fediverse? Do you mean, the Threadiverse?
I’m being cheeky to illustrate a point - Threads will almost certainly harm the overall health of the Fediverse in the long run, with users relying increasingly more on Threads’ instance[s] to use Mastodon services and connect to people.
Nope. Please fuck off, thank you.
So the hate for this is now gone and replaced with praise? What happened to all the posts about how this is an attack on TNT frediverse when Meta first announced this integration?
My stance is still a hard fuck no to Threads entering the fediverse.
Edit: My reasoning can be read in my old comment here. It’s all still applicable in regard to meta/Threads federating.
There’s no logical reason to give them the benefit of the doubt or have unrealistically positive expectations given their overwhelmingly consistent track record.
Oh there’s hate, there are a lot of unreasonably, pro-threads upvotes and comments making the rounds.
Threads is making its first moves to EEE the Fediverse.
What does this mean?
I keep seeing this nonsense take. Please tell me how Threads will EEE a federated social network? It would take adoption and compliance. Whenever I see people put this take it tells me they don’t trust people of the Fedi and they don’t believe in the Fedi. Threads can’t force any implementation on the Fediverse. If Threads does anything that those that attempted to give it a fair chance doesn’t like then it will be blocked. It will be no different than Gab with the exception of it having more of our friends, relatives and people we like to follow
I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears, but here. Threads is lacking in content. Threads gets fediverse content. Instagram promotes that content, getting people to sign up and actually use it. This includes big name content creators and celebrities, authors, journalists. People on mastodon and the fediverse get used to that content. Threads starts supporting some new features or longer length or who knows what in threads. These posts are either omitted from the fediverse or are degraded to be fediverse-compatible. This annoys fediverse users who have gotten used to all the content they are now missing or seeing degraded. A significant number of them move to threads.
And on the content creator side. Threads gains a huge market share. Content creators on mastodon get used to all the threads viewers threads decides to add enhanced security or formatting requirements or some other nonsense that regularly stops mastadon creators’ content from being seen or interacted by threads users. Or threads starts heavily deprioritizing mastadon content. Either way, the mastadon creators decide to go where the audience they got used to is o threads leaving mastadon behind.
Or something more clever than either of those. Because we know meta would want to EEE if they can and there are people who will be cleaver at doing it.
That makes no sense. Since September Threads has been near 100m users. They don’t need the users from Mastodon nor the Fediverse. A good number of instances have already blocked Threads and are against big platforms. This falls under my point that people don’t trust the people here, if you believe people will be enticed or get “used to” content enough to go to Threads you are stating you don’t trust them. People can downvote me all the way, yet no one came out with a reasonable rebuttal to what I said. I believe in the foundations here, defederation and others. Threads will already be insanely massive. It’s not lacking content that was the case 2-3 months ago but not now. Threads wants in on the Fediverse not for content, not the small number of users. It’s to avoid government bodies and antitrust. They like that moderation is split amongst communities.
Threads user numbers are misleading because of how easy it is to make an account and be counted as a user due to all of the instagram tie-in.
You keep saying that people must not “trust” threads users if they think Facebook could EEE and I don’t really get what that means. I don’t honestly want mastadon to only be for true believers. It’s more interesting if a wider range of people are on there.
I didn’t say not trust Threads users. I’m saying they do not trust Fediverse users. What I mean is that in order for Threads to EEE it would take adoption and compliance. It would take the masses here being too entangled with Threads that even if they do things people don’t like, those instances & users will simply start using Threads or bend completely to their will. Otherwise, people will block Threads and operate as usual. That’s what I believe will happen but many don’t.
Sorry, that was a big typo in my comment. That’s what I meant. I don’t want mastadon to only have true believers. I want more of everyone and Facebook will use EEE strategies to bootstrap threads off of mastadon and then harvest everyone but the true believers away.
I don’t see that happening. As long as those that taint Mastodon’s reputation are kept away things will be fine. “True believers” do not want more of everyone and that is part of the problem. People have various social needs that many on Mastodon don’t care about nor respect. If Threads wins them over by being more welcoming and accepting that says a lot. But, I must be fair. I have seen improvement within the culture and people actively working to be more open to others . I care more about users having their needs met than any one specific platform.
And just remember that a substantial amount of Lemmy users want this, because they are too blind, childish and immature to see the very real negative consequences such a move will have.
But they only care because they’re either bots or hopelessly stupid simps.
Fuck off. Defederate these guys.
Someone did a breakdown here, I still think it’s a great idea to defed from them immediately.
https://wedistribute.org/2023/08/threads-new-terms-affects-the-fediverse/
They will be able to dictate how mastodon works of they become larger than the rest of the instances. Their stake in the network will make them more powerful than all the other instances combined.
They will be able to dictate how mastodon works
How they will do that ? How are they going to dictate the programmers of Mastodon/Lemmy ?
There’s a concept called Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (seemingly coined, in that form, in a Microsoft antitrust lawsuit). Here’s the Wikipedia page on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
As I understand, people argue that Facebook/Meta, via Threads, will use this strategy in the long-term to either kill, or make effecitvely obsolete, the open technology behind Mastodon. If not that, then they could easily make the federation part of Threads buggy & unreliable, souring their users’ opinions on the “fediverse”.
They don’t need to control anyone; they only need to host a majority of the userbase (by being the most popular federated site). And they’re not starting from a user count of 1 or 10, unlike a lot of Mastodon sites.
Obviously, Mastodon & Lemmy, and the sites that run them, can keep chugging along just fine, but it’s argued that if Meta makes their federation implementation sub-par (or otherwise sabotages it), it’ll hurt the user-base growth of sites that use these projects (as people will see begin to see it as unreliable or what-not).
Is it as doom and gloom as people make it seem? Idk, I haven’t had time to care.
I dislike how the comment section is full of people hating on Mastodon people
Mastodon wearing the face of activitypub and fediverse really leads everyone to think it’s only mastodon. Replace mastodon with activitypub, because there’s lots of projects that are actually innovating instead of Mastodons (x)shitter cloning.
I will delete my account.
You will delete your account if… what, exactly?
If Meta can read things you post to Lemmy? They already can if they’re so inclined; it’s all indexable by anybody with a web crawler bot; robots.txt on lemmy.world doesn’t even discourage it. If people can post to your favorite Lemmy communities from Threads? Don’t expect many people to do that - there’s enough UX mismatch it’s an awkward experience from any microblogging software.
If meta has any part of the fediverse. I don’t need another Facebook. Having profits be the priority will bring down the fediverse.
It’s a protocol. Anybody can choose to speak it, and as of today, Threads does in a very limited manner.
On what lol
Probably both Lemmy and Mastodon, if they are a part of the fediverse it spells trouble all around.
Robo Zucks face on the article actually scared me when I first saw it.
Judging by the comments on that post, they’re just trying to run away from all the porn bots.
To all the people wondering about metas intentions in this it’s not the big bad corporation taking down the upstart competition. All the people saying it’s EEE can’t show any sign metas doing this or even wants to because the strategy doesn’t work, any time a company does it it either doesn’t take off or they get brought up on anti-trust laws. Show me a standard that was destroyed by EEE and I’ll show you a standard that never took off in the first place. All the usual examples given, email, java, html, remain open standards to this day.
The truth is the fediverse isn’t competition to meta, it’s a fraction of the size and is populated by users who would never use meta services in the first place. They can pretend it’s a competitor though. If twitter does actually collapse and people switch to threads meta will face anti-trust suits for owning the three largest social media platforms. If they add activity pub support though they can point to the fediverse and say it’s competition, even if it’s only 1 % of the platform. They also have to deal with EU interoperability laws that might start getting enforced.
TL;DR this is about compliance for meta, not conquest.
Email an open standard? Sure, on the surface it is. Running your own mail server and getting your emails delivered to gmail/outlook users? Good luck.
Who cares what the form is, if the substance is the problem?
Same with web. To this day, nobody besides google has the possibility to compete in the browser space. So much shit was added to the web standards, that you need an incredible amount of resources to produce a modern browser engine (I am talking one that users can use for their daily stuff, not lynx). You have chrome, you have all the chromium clones, you have Firefox which is anyway paid by google, and you have safari. Period.
Show me a standard that was destroyed by EEE and I’ll show you a standard that never took off in the first place.
XMPP says hi.
The platform never really took off. It was a niche messaging platform before Facebook and Google and went back to being one after they left. I have yet to see any evidence that Google or Facebook helped or hurt xmpp, just speculation and anger that it didn’t take off.
“it’s not embrace-extended-extinguish. Facebook and Google merely adopted it, increased its reach, and then made it irrelevant.”
So is there a way to follow someone on Threads now? Or at least get one’s instance to load a post? Where are the details of this beyond Zuckerberg’s post?
