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funny thing is, this was true 40 years ago, and it’s true today.
We have a circus we gotta run out of town first
The problem is Capitalism.
They said that to me when I was a kid… and I was born in the 80s.
They said that to me when I was a kid and I was born in the 60s.
And now they’re in retirement.
Fuck them. They should have been in prison thirty years ago.
Those ones were right. We are solving it now, and we either finish solving it or our children will have to deal with resource depletion when their time to shine comes.
Either way, it’s not Global Warming that they will be solving.
Do you think if we had lifespan in the centuries we’d have a different perspective?
I believe it’s more a cultural thing. In a lot of places, people think in terms of a community, not individuals, and will plan things for the longer terms. But in american culture, people are much more selfish and short-sighted. Problem is that they have been shoving their culture in the entire world, and it makes it look like this is the default for all of humanity.
The 2001 game Arcanum (a steam punk fanatsy hybrid) had that perspective. You had a world based in late Victorian industrialization and you had elves and dwarves and stuff… but those same dwarves and elves had VERY different views on technology. This is because they live for centuries while humans just decades. They make it clear that the two longer living races often approach technology (elves hate it btw, dwarves like it but are cautious) with caution specifically because they can see the effects of their shit from a hundred years from now while humans simply cannot.
Stupid generations war. As stupid as men vs women, religion vs religion etc. It should be smart people vs stupid greedy sociopaths
And simply blaming older people also hides the problem of global inequality and exploitation of the third world. Most elderly in my country only faced food insecurity and hyperinflation when younger, and their environmental impact for all the time they’re alive is smaller than the environmental impact of a current teenager in the usa.
Class war is the only war that will get us out of this.
It won’t either. Class cold wars can get you some results, but hot wars are always damaging to everybody.
I was thinking like this when I decided to go into the field, like “we can’t just doom the next generation and peace out”, now i’m deep in it at the highest level and i’m like “ooh that’s why…”
I remember a similar comment made by one my highschool teachers. Because I was such a try-hard cringe edge lord I said something like “if my generation got rid of your generation, then we’ve solved that problem”.
Amazing that you had enough knowledge to answer like that in the first place. Looking back on my school days, I was so uninformed about so many important things: climate, politics - you name it.
I want to hear what he thinks his generation’s problem to solve was.
Protesting a lot at age 20, then becoming a square.
Too much extra money and not enough beach houses to spend it all!
High gasoline prices.
99% probability: Cold war/communism
This comic is TERRORISM according to Trump’s Republican Party!
“WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS” -CPAC 2022
This comment is anticapitalist and therefore terrorist…
Lemmy is anticapitalist and therefore blocked by the Great American Firewall.
Dissidents will be reported.
Hopefully Trump will die of a stroke before before his third term
Boomer: “Climate change will be your burden to suffer through”.
Gen Z: “It’s not fair. You got a full life of profligacy before the effects were even noticeable. I get none of the material wealth and I’m going to have to live my whole long life suffering increasing effects of it.”
Boomer: “Not so long.”
Also boomers: “When are you having kids? I want grandchildren.”
Told my mom I didn’t want kids and she said, “Oh you’ll change your mind”
I came out to my mom as gay and she said “well you can always adopt”
Then I started intense birth control treatments for my fucked up reproductive system and she was like, “you can still adopt”
Yeeted my uterus, cervix, and fallopian tubes just before my bday this summer and threw a fuckin party afterwards because now there is absolutely no way I can ever be a parent AND my reproductive system can’t do whatever the fuck it wants cause it doesn’t exist!
My mom finally accepted that this part of the family tree has ended after that. This while process happened over 18 years. I started telling her I didn’t wanna be a parent when I was TEN.
Edit: I should prolly say that my mom isn’t a boomer, but Gen X. She’s surrounded constantly by boomers and other members of Gen X who act like boomers so she has picked up a lot of the traits. Practically demanding grandchildren was the worst boomer thing she’s done so far, and I hope it stays that way.
Meanwhile. Most Boomers post adoption
They’re not my real grandchildren.
How my grandmother was when my sister was adopted. Never treated her the same as the rest of the grandkids. Even when my sister helped care for the bitch 24/7 while she was living in our home dying of self-inflicted lung cancer.
I was not sad when my grandmother died, if you can tell.
“well you can always adopt”
As if adoption wasn’t an extremely intensive process that goes on for who knows how many years and even then it’s not guaranteed you’ll actually get the kid. Let alone how much it differs from DIY.
Thank you for your service.
What action in my timeline are you referring to as my service lol
Lol. Not having kids is one of the most ethical choices we can make.
Ah. See, I don’t want children because I’m what you call a selfish person and want to live my life completely unbound. Kids would just kill my dreams and the vibe.
The ethical part is just a bonus to make me feel even better about my decision.
This guy’s an anti-natalist, I wouldn’t take seriously anything he fucking says.
Fuck off. Anti-natalism is eugenics and anyone who advocates for it is a Nazi in my eyes. Not to mention 90% of you all just project your major depression and misery into literal 8 year olds. Please just go to therapy.
Every conversation people have about “degrowth” and “the earth has too many people” always leads to someone advocating for eugenics OR LITERAL GENOCIDE. The Earth, right at this moment, can hold ten billion people. The problem is capitalism, consumerism and food waste.
Everything you don’t like or understand is Nazi?
Degrowth. It’s not antinatalism, nor eugenics. But simple people need simple answers. It’s ethically shrinking humanity’s population and consumption to within what the earth can sustain. That’s it.
You know what hole to shove your Nazi bullshit up.
Selfishness incarnate lol
I once saw it described as the Boomers being the “fuck around” generation and Gen Z being the “find out” generation.
Oh no, they’re not just going to let it happen. They’ll actively stop us from solving it.
Well im not having solar panels near my town. They’ll absorb all the sunlight and it’ll be dark!
Windmills slow the planet down!!!
But wouldn’t it be nice if there was more time in a day?
“Sorry kid, I need my 9% returns on these investment funds, and I don’t care where that money comes from.”
I don’t care where that money comes from.
Unless it’s renewable energy tech, then fuck it, those shitheads can rot in hell!
I bought this stock from a company called planter or something, it’s going crazy lately
But the windmills will kill all the birds (that there are none left of)!
Not real ones, anyway
And they’ll put more of us on the planet too, because it’s so wonderful here.
Solving? There’s an undeniable solution that has been there as long as the problem has
I’m in favor of completely remove the humans. We should have the tech already.
Which is…?
There’s a pretty public list of who owns the most resources
Stop burning fossil fuels.
That would help, but definitely not stop climate change.
Sure, taking your foot off the accelerator doesn’t technically stop the car.
Either you ration things that warm the planet, or you find a way to cool it directly? Neither of these options can be done at a large enough scale.
Humans have never been good at constraining cultures that gorge on a limited buffet of resources.
Implementing climate control will be costly and is still controversial, especially proposed solutions that require polluting the stratosphere with chemicals.
I’m still optimistic about geoengineering research.
Of course, nobody will want to foot that bill until they’re staring the threat in the eyes.
Looking at this more benevolently, the teacher might be wishing that this kid’s generation will end up being more conscious and willing to act than his own.
Yah I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the message in the context it’s presented. It’s a fucking teacher. They are already doing not just the most they can, but also doing something far more effective than butting heads with a corporate-driven world at a time when environmentalism was seen as fringe and ludicrous by most people on Earth.
It would be different if it was some wealthy corporate CEO saying “I’m leaving this for the next generation to solve.”
I remember a time that even a teacher saying this to a student would be considered inappropriate activism about a controversial topic.
I remember a time that even a teacher saying this to a student would be considered inappropriate activism about a controversial topic.
…Like right now?
From my perspective (millenial) raised in a conservative area, climate change discussion went from ‘kinda iffy in the past’ to approved to expected, then suddenly lurched to more taboo than I’ve ever seen.
I can’t even discuss it with my college-educated older relatives without them ranting about it. It’s a total taboo; they think I’m nuts for even bringing it up as an existential problem.
I can only imagine what parents would say if teachers said that now.
Uh oooohhhhh! Fascism!
Yep. And your generation will do the same, and it will go on like this until it can’t be ignored anymore, because that’s what humans do, whatever the age.
It literally cannot be ignored anymore.
“You don’t miss the water until the well runs dry” has never been a more true expression. People expect that if something is going wrong here’d be immediate and apparent consequence. It seems like a vast majority of people completely lack the skill of extended foresight, where one can look at a current situation and see how it can accumulate into a worse situation later.
A great example of this was my mom during COVID-19:
“All this pandemic talk is just nonsense. I’m not seeing people dying on the streets, now, am I?”
If the effects of climate change aren’t immediately apparent with some big global disaster happening overnight, then it’s not a big issue or simply not real.
If eating something that causes long term health risks doesn’t immediately make you sick overnight then it’s not a big issue or simply not real.
That’s what I’m saying, people don’t deal with problems until they’re forced to.
And climate change, while having effects all over the world, doesn’t affect everyone with the same intensity, so the luckiest among us can afford to ignore the problem longer than the rest. Of course the luckiest usually are also the ones with the most power to deal with these issues.
I agree with everything you’re saying.
And unfortunately as a life-long resident of white suburban america, I know how comfortable life still is for so many people, and how the culture of “ignore that problem and we’ll be fine” continues to pay off for people with a little privilege in their life.
As for your last point, that is literally how I feel because I know for a fact that I will die from water wars before it matters
If water wars start in my lifetime, it’s game over for me. I will not let myself live through that shit.
Check out Ethiopia and Egypt, Pakistan and India, China and Vietnam/Laos.
Some are more hot than others but these are all conflicts over lowering water levels and increasing demand. Even within the USA, there are conflicts between states in the southwest and with Mexico over the Colorado river kind of… Just not existing anymore.
until it can’t be ignored anymore
At which point the fascist governments people have voted into power will keep on going as they were while murdering some convenient scapegoats, until mass scale industrialised human society collapses, never to recover because we used up all our resources.
Edit: I honestly think people don’t quite understand that once all this bullshit collapses, there will probably never be another high tech civilisation on Earth again: all the easily extractable resources will have been used up, and the amount of energy required to extract more would be higher than what will be available once oil-based hydrocarbons have been more or less used up. Magic batteries that require a ton of resources won’t fix the situation, and we have no large scale replacement for oil.
The large scale replacement for oil is the original source of that energy, the sun. Sure it will take a while, but high technology (read small computers) doesn’t actually require hydrocarbons, it just requires knowledge of physics. Modern society is based on hydrocarbon fuels because they’re so convenient, but that doesn’t mean it’s required for any of our technology to function. We will likely be combusting hydrocarbons for the rest of our existence, they’re just too convenient for energy storage, but the source of those hydrocarbons could easily be specialized cyanobacteria farms or direct chemical synthesis. Both of those technologies already exist, but we have never done any significant investment in them because they would have to compete with basically picking up what’s already lying around. In the absence of significant oil deposits we will be forced to make those technologies work.
Hence my hate for them. Fucking dicks the lot of them.
Keep kicking it down the street.
