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Most people would fail to understand the question. So many will flip the switch a bunch of times randomly. In other words: This would be super frustrating for the villain.
I love the idea of the villain explaining the whole thing to the captive and at the end being like, “okay, I’m about to put the blindfold and noise canceling headphones on, so this is the last chance for any other questions about how this works”
Info: How many people live in the kingdom?
There’s a five in six chance you are picked 1 out of X, and a one in six chance you are 10 out of X.
If you’ve been picked, there are three possible outcomes.
Flipping the lever kills you. 5/6 x 1/X
Flilling the lever saves you and 9 other people. 1/6 x 1/X
Flipping the lever does nothing at all. 1/6 x 9/X
From a purely statistical standpoint, you’re five times more likely to die flipping the lever, but the expected value, measured in lives saved, for flipping the lever is twice as high as not.
From a purely altruistic measure, you should always flip the lever, because at worst you kill yourself, at best you save 10 people, and you can do it with significant confidence that it doesn’t actually matter.
But back to my original question, 5/6X vs 1/6X vs 9/6X where as X approaches infinity, the difference becomes negligible.
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My guess is that no to the first, since I have a 1/3 chance of being in the forked path, vs 1/15 of being in the straight path and my lever being connected.
Suppose you live in a kingdom where everyone is as selfish as you, and you’ve seen on TV many situations exactly like this one where people were tied to the tracks - usually one at a time and occasionally 10 at a time. (The villain has been prolific.) You’ve seen them all follow this logic and choose not to flip their switch, yet out of ~1500 people you have seen in peril this way, ~1000 of them have died. If only their logic had convinced them (and you) otherwise, 1000 of them could have selfishly survived! Doesn’t seem very logical to follow a course of action that kills you more often than its opposite.
(If you don’t want to imagine a kingdom where everyone is selfish, you can imagine one where x% are selfish and (100-x)% are altruistic, or some other mixture maybe with y% of people who flip the lever randomly back and forth and z% who cannot even understand the question. The point is that the paradox still exists.)
Edit: I can see now how in a 100% altruistic kingdom, where you are the only selfish one and you know for sure that everyone else will logically altruistically pull the lever, it makes sense for you to not pull the lever. Presumably there is some population x% split (44% selfish/56% altruistic?) where your selfish decision will have to reverse. Weird to think that your estimate of the selfishness of the rest of the population has a relevance on your decision!
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I’ll flip the switch back and forth as quick as I can in hope of catching trolly as it changes and causing it to derail.
From a purely utilitarianism perspective, assuming all utility is linear and unscaled:
5/6 chance I’m on the side track * 1 person saved = 5/6
1/6 chance on the main track * 1/10 chance my switch is real * 10 people saved = 1/6
Seems pretty clear that you should not flip the switch. However, if I am on the main track, this thinking will lead to no-one flipping the switch and no lives saved whereas everyone thinking it will lead to a guaranteed save -> utility of 10/6.
If I can assume more than half the people can be rational and will think like me then I should flip the switch.
If I cannot, I should not flip the switch.
Except that if people are chosen randomly there is 2/3 chance that you are on the main track according to Bayes. Let’s assume there are 10 people.
The probability to be chosen is 1/6 (all are chosen if 6 is rolled) + (5/6) × (1/10) (only one is chosen to go to the side track if 1-5 is rolled) = 15/60 = 1/4.
The probability that you are on the side track knowing that you have been chosen is the probability that you have been chosen knowing that the side track is selected (1/10) × the probability that the side track is selected (5/6) divided by the probability for you to be selected at all (1/4), so (1/10)×(5/6)/(1/4) = 20/60 = 1/3. So there is a 2/3 chance that you are on the main track.
If you do not flip the switch, (2/3)×10 = 20/3 people die.
If you flip the switch, 1/3 (you if on side track) + 10 × 2/3 × 9 / 10 (switch misfires 9 out of 10 times if on the main track) = 190/30 = 19/3 die. This is slightly better than not flipping the switch, you save 1/3 people more. That’s an arm and a leg.
There surely must’ve been a more comprehending way to phrase the dilemma.
Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:
Best change to get hit by the trolly is to not attempt to flip the switch. So I choose to do nothing
There’s a 5/6 chance someone is put onto the side rail (the one the trolley won’t go down without interfering with it)
There’s a 1/6 chance someone is put onto the main rail (the one the trolley WILL go down)
You’re more likely to be on the side track if you’re involved in this scenario, so if you wanna get hit you SHOULD try to flip it (if you’re the one on the side track, it guarantees a hit. If you’re one of the 10 people on the main, you have a 90% chance of having a dead switch and should try anyway)
Unless being tired at work is making me miss something
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