oh yeah because having russia closer to your country is a great thing. just ask ukraine.
Fun fact: USSR dragged its tail until WW2 almost ended before entering war against Japan.
Term “Great Patriotic War” that Russians use to describe WW2 doesn’t just exclude pre-1941 events, but also war in Pacific.
And Soviets were the opposite of helping in Pacific front - denying requests to use their airfields, detaining pilots doing emergency landings in there etc. etc.
Stalin even wrote to Roosevelt that USSR is not obligated to help allies in Pacific because USSR isn’t at war with Japan. 🌝
This is ahistorical, while the Soviet Union wasn’t at war with Japan until the late stages they provided critical support to the Chinese Communists and Nationalists who had been fighting the Japanese since 1937 and forced the creation of the Second Unified Front against Japan (the Nationalist-Communist coalition that eventually drove Japan out of China). The Nationalists were so against uniting with those dirty Commies against Japan that Chiang had to be physically kidnapped and kept on house arrest until he would agree to form the Second Front!
There’s a lot you can criticize the Soviet Union for, but their fight against fascism during the first half of the 20th century was not one of them.
their fight against fascism
Lol you are kidding, right?
Russia and Nazi Germany invading Poland together, that was fighting fascism too?
Unironically, yes. Poland had no way of winning against Nazi invasion and even though the United Kingdom declared war in response to the invasion, they sent NO aid to Poland and left them to the wolves. When the Soviet Union invaded from the East, they were welcomed by the Polish as a protecting force against Nazi anti-Slavic and anti-Jewish genocide. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement mainly came as a result of the Soviet Union’s deliberate exclusion from the Munich Agreement (altho I obviously disagree with making any pact or agreement with Nazis).
Stalin concluded that the West had colluded with Hitler to hand over a country in Central Europe to the Germans, causing concern that they might do the same to the Soviet Union in the future to allow its partition between the western nations. This belief led the Soviet Union to reorient its foreign policy towards a rapprochement with Germany, which eventually led to the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.[89]
The response of non-ethnic Poles to the situation caused considerable complications. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews welcomed the invading troops.[100] Local Communists gathered people to welcome the Red Army troops in the traditional Slavic way by presenting bread and salt in the eastern suburb of Brest. A sort of triumphal arch on two poles, decked with spruce branches and flowers was fashioned for this occasion. A slogan in Russian on a long red banner, glorifying the USSR and welcoming the Red Army, crowned the arch.[101] The event was recorded by Lev Mekhlis, who reported to Stalin that the people of the West Ukraine welcomed the Soviet troops “like true liberators”.[102]
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War for more info.
Like that time they allied with the fascist to do fascist shit under the guise of their socialist revolution?
the commies on lemmy love to hang on to their we beat the nazis shite as well, i think there’s a soviet sniper picture doing the rounds right now.
if stalin wasn’t such an abusive shit he wouldn’t have killed so many millions of his own
I don’t really get the point of this comment… I’m no fan of the USSR, but am I supposed to be mad at them about this? They weren’t at war with Japan. They were a little busy defending their homeland, and I don’t believe Japan ever directly attacked them (someone will probably prove me wrong about this).
Yeah the soviet’s had enough going on without opening up a second front.
Ah, come on, people “busy defending their homeland” still had plenty of time to invade Iran, and grab all the Baltics in “liberation efforts” (and no, Baltics weren’t part of Axis like, for example, Romania or Hungary).
But anyway - losing that many people is an absolutely valid point for why not to send forces, but my comment was about refusal to cooperate with allies at all - not lending airfields, detaining allied pilots doing emergency landings (they were detained until war ended too).
Soviets did eventually march in Japan, to grab some land for themselves (not that I condemn it, Japan was part of big bad after all), but before that for some time question wasn’t even about them directly joining the war as about letting allies use Soviet logistic hubs to launch offensives from far east, circumventing Pacific theater.
No no, you see, the USSR couldn’t have and never did any wrong.
If they did, they parties wronged deserved it.
/s
I actually thought this is common knowledge. But looks like it isn’t everywhere.
The Soviets had promised at Yalta to enter the war in the Pacific within 3 months of the war ending in Europe. And they did launch an attack on Manchuria at 3 months to the day. Hardly feet dragging.
In fact, them being about to launch the attack, was one of the deciding factors on Truman dropping the nukes on Japan. He wanted to prevent the Soviets fron capturing territory that they would be reluctant to give up in the end. And he also knew that the USSR entering the war in the pacific would be what really pushed Japan to surrender. He didn’t want to lose the opportunity to show off the new toys to scare the Soviets.
So not doing something until being forced into a commitment and then waiting until the last possible moment to Honor that commitment is somehow not feet dragging to you?
While I agree that the Soviet Union took too long to enter the fight against a clearly genocidal, expansionist and fascist regime in Japan, going to war with them isn’t something to be taken lightly or done on the drop of a hat. ESPECIALLY when you’re already losing millions fighting another genocidal, expansionist and fascist regime in Europe! I’d drag my feet, too!
I think he dropped an /s somewhere.
Um… no
“Curse those lazy Soviets for not immediately starting a two front war after losing 11 million people to the Nazis. Respecting the agreements made at the Yalta conference regarding an invasion of Japan, to the letter, was ACTUALLY mendacious.”
You realize that after losing 11 million people in a enduring and cataclysmic war, it may take some time to prepare for a war on the totally opposite front?
I dont even know why I’m engaging with this whitewashing. This isn’t even what the OP is about.
The fact of the matter is that Japan has not handled the outcome of WWII well at all. Namely the Nanjing Massacre.
Right so, they dragged their feet on it.
If a person applies for a job and says they will be able to start in 2 months and then shows up in 2 months that’s not dragging their feet. If they keep pushing the date back until the employer says “ if you don’t show up on Monday you’re fired” that would be dragging their feet.
If a person is living at home and convinces their parents to get a second job to help support them, but doesn’t get a second job themselves until 3 years later because their parents finally gave them an ultimatum and their old job ended, , and then waits until the last day of that ultimatum to finally get the new job, they’re dragging their feet.
But that’s not what happened…
USSR didn’t convince the U.S. to get into a two front war, the USSR got invaded when they were unprepared because Stalin originally wanted to ally with the Nazis.
They were then pushed back into their own territory with such bad logistics that they couldn’t even give all their soldiers guns. Once they finished fighting their own war they asked for a little bit of time to mourn the deaths of millions, reestablish their territory, and mobilize millions.
Nothing about that is dragging their feet, I personally think Stalin was a raging cunt and you are making me defend them because of just how shit your take is.
Lavrov is just pissed that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and set off the chain of events that led to the US entering WWII, defeating the Nazis, and getting The Bomb first.
who can trust the horseface lavrov.
If I used him as a Lavrovtory, I wouldn’t even trust him to hold my piss.
