Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein challenged conflicting narratives circulating about Tyler Robinson by obtaining online chats and speaking with a childhood friend of the 22-year-old man accused of assassinating far-right activist Charlie Kirk.
You do realize that just believing the opposite of what your enemy says is not engaging in factual analysis right? Our enemies can, and do, twist their narratives in many ways in order to obscure facts by encouraging tribalist, campist justification in their enemies (us.)
My reading of what you said was that there was no basis for Robinson’s relationship to a trans person. you know damn well I can’t account for those lines as they come from court documents.
Retreating to a specificity in a disagreement is not a way to make yourself right, its a way to make me wrong. If I want to, I can retreat to some generality where I feel right and you appear to be wrong. This is exactly the kind of campist reasoning I try to avoid in good faith.
My whole point was to caution against conspiratorial thinking, which is something i admit I also get caught up in very easily. I acknowledge that a fight has its own logic, and that logic does not always lead to the discovery of fact, but can deepen misunderstanding. You clearly disagree with me which is fine. I’m not trying to give you a lecture or give the right a pass. I fight the right every day in my communities through political organizing, others oppose the right in different ways. We need all hands on deck, pulling the same direction to reverse the momentum of forces organized against us.
I’m trying to caution someone who I view as an ally not to fall into a trap. You try to characterize me as an enemy because I ask you to show caution. I am not your enemy. This is exactly how the people in power motivate narratives in order to divide regular people so we can’t fight them together.
But I promise you, being a conspiratorial crank will not win people over to our side. That’s why I try to resist it in myself and urge caution in others. But you do you, I’m not the thought cops.
Yeah we definitely need to be enlightened centrists in a time when the government is going full on fascist.
Where in that random guys blog post is even the confirmation of the mythical trans girlfriend?
I’m glad you’re such a “community organizer”, making sure that we are as fair as possible to the people who made up the “Bowling Green massacre.”
I also love the idea that “conspiratorial thinking” might “drive people away.” No. They don’t fucking care. They want blood. They want to attack trans people. They don’t give a rats ass what anyone on the “Left” actually says.
Ken Klippenstein isn’t some random dude. He wrote for the Nation (one of the only media outlets that pushed back against the right’s angelic charactetization of Kirk) and the Intercept. He is definitely a leftist, definitely opposed to the right wing, and a good serious journalist.
When you call me an “enlightened centrist” then to me you are calling me an enemy. I am not a centrist, I’m a communist. I am active in national and local politics through DSA, and part of a faction (R&R) on the left of the largest american socialist org in 100 years. I have my own entry on KeyWiki (a site that doxxes left wing organizers) and consider it a badge of honor. I care about facts, because I care about being credible to people we need to win over to our side.
I believe these issues are serious and I take them seriously, as do our enemies. I think you may have talent as a polemicist, but that’s not my role and I resist the quixotic insistence that polemics are objective fact.
You’re trying to discredit me but I don’t need your credit.
Ken Klippenstein verified some of these details in his interviews and research https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
You do realize that just believing the opposite of what your enemy says is not engaging in factual analysis right? Our enemies can, and do, twist their narratives in many ways in order to obscure facts by encouraging tribalist, campist justification in their enemies (us.)
I don’t see any messages in that post that confirm the dialogue I posted.
My reading of what you said was that there was no basis for Robinson’s relationship to a trans person. you know damn well I can’t account for those lines as they come from court documents.
Retreating to a specificity in a disagreement is not a way to make yourself right, its a way to make me wrong. If I want to, I can retreat to some generality where I feel right and you appear to be wrong. This is exactly the kind of campist reasoning I try to avoid in good faith.
My whole point was to caution against conspiratorial thinking, which is something i admit I also get caught up in very easily. I acknowledge that a fight has its own logic, and that logic does not always lead to the discovery of fact, but can deepen misunderstanding. You clearly disagree with me which is fine. I’m not trying to give you a lecture or give the right a pass. I fight the right every day in my communities through political organizing, others oppose the right in different ways. We need all hands on deck, pulling the same direction to reverse the momentum of forces organized against us.
I’m trying to caution someone who I view as an ally not to fall into a trap. You try to characterize me as an enemy because I ask you to show caution. I am not your enemy. This is exactly how the people in power motivate narratives in order to divide regular people so we can’t fight them together.
But I promise you, being a conspiratorial crank will not win people over to our side. That’s why I try to resist it in myself and urge caution in others. But you do you, I’m not the thought cops.
Bro trying to turn this cesspool into ACX o7
The writer marketplace? Yeah I tend to overdo it.
Dude, where did I characterize you as an “enemy”?
Yeah we definitely need to be enlightened centrists in a time when the government is going full on fascist.
Where in that random guys blog post is even the confirmation of the mythical trans girlfriend?
I’m glad you’re such a “community organizer”, making sure that we are as fair as possible to the people who made up the “Bowling Green massacre.”
I also love the idea that “conspiratorial thinking” might “drive people away.” No. They don’t fucking care. They want blood. They want to attack trans people. They don’t give a rats ass what anyone on the “Left” actually says.
Ken Klippenstein isn’t some random dude. He wrote for the Nation (one of the only media outlets that pushed back against the right’s angelic charactetization of Kirk) and the Intercept. He is definitely a leftist, definitely opposed to the right wing, and a good serious journalist.
When you call me an “enlightened centrist” then to me you are calling me an enemy. I am not a centrist, I’m a communist. I am active in national and local politics through DSA, and part of a faction (R&R) on the left of the largest american socialist org in 100 years. I have my own entry on KeyWiki (a site that doxxes left wing organizers) and consider it a badge of honor. I care about facts, because I care about being credible to people we need to win over to our side.
I believe these issues are serious and I take them seriously, as do our enemies. I think you may have talent as a polemicist, but that’s not my role and I resist the quixotic insistence that polemics are objective fact.
You’re trying to discredit me but I don’t need your credit.