• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    How do you explain why people had children throughout most of human history when conditions were far worse than they are now? Or why people in the poorest parts of the world continue to have children now? I believe that from your subjective point of view, what you posted feels true, but I don’t know how you reconcile it with the objective facts that people in poor countries have more children than people in rich countries, and that even within the United States poor people have more children than rich people.

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      They were horny and and didn’t have good contraception?

      There were less laws and they had kids as if it was an investment and the kids would work for them?

      They were manipulated by religion or their country to produce more soldiers for the nation or God?

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      Historically, women didn’t have much choice in the matter.

      1. not allowed to work, own property, etc etc, so you have to marry a man, and presumably he’s going to fuck you. Remember that marital rape wasn’t considered a crime in any U.S. state until the 70’s, and wasn’t illegal everywhere until the 90s. Most cultures in history have not considered marital rape a crime, and most cultures have necessitated women be supported in heterosexual marriages.
      1. access to birth control. It was a felony for unmarried people to possess condoms or birth control medication until 1972 in the US. Condoms also weren’t floating around in the Middle Ages, iirc they start to exist in the early modern period. Effective birth control is really a 20th century thing.

      Very early cultures did practice infanticide in times of trouble, but most religions began to frown on that very heavily.

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          Trump’s lawyer told Ivanka that marital rape wasn’t a crime when they were going through their divorce in the 90’s. It was by that point, but she didn’t know.

          It’s a pretty fucked up incident - he was in pain from a hair transplant, ripped out her hair (giving her bald spots) and raped her. She recanted the rape claim, 100% because Trump’s lawyers threatened her into silence and lied to her.

          So yeah, in light of Trump also suggesting that it was unfair to include domestic violence in crime statistics, I doubt this administration really considers marital rape a crime. I would not be surprised if at the state level there was an increased reluctance to prosecute marital rape and domestic violence in hell hole red states.

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            I’m from MS, and my anecdotal experience is not representative of everyone. That being said, the number of people I knew that who experienced sexual abuse in their marriages was shockingly high compared to other placed I have lived.

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        But then how do you explain why the within-county trends match both the trends across countries and the historical trends?

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      Not complicated or difficult to understand.

      Poor have more children, because poor are generally more uneducated, especially in 3rd world countries. It is the more informed and educated that are having less children. People that are more informed and educated, generally think long term, and don’t just succumb to immediate gratification. Immediate gratification for someone who is poor, the cheapest thing is sex, and unprotected at that.

      Not to mention less educated people are more easily indoctrinated into devout religious beliefs. And the abrahamic religions and it’s offshoots all strongly encourage having children.

      It’s really not that complicated.

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        Ok, but you’re not starting with the belief that Americans are having fewer children because they can’t afford to, the way that the poster I’m replying to is.

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          But it is.

          Why would anyone want to bring a kid into this clown show hell? Not to mention who can afford it.

          Smarter, more educated people tend to, by and large, make smarter decisions. I.e. not bringing a kid into the world if you know you can’t afford to. Or you recognize that you kid is probably going to have a way harder go of things than you did.