Privacy (for robot vacuums) isn’t cheap. via the Verge.

  • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    This title is dumb. Companies are not selling all of their products at a loss just to harvest your data[1] and privacy is not significantly more expensive. Don’t let capitalism fool you into believing we’re suffering from anything but the natural progression of “infinite growth”.

    We’re so far into dystopia, and used to every company double/triple/quadruple dipping, that the entire concept of a company simply building a quality product, that lasts as long as possible, without ads, or extracting and selling your data, planned obsolescence, or price gouging is insanity… which is itself, batshit insane. This is not an efficient system. It’s a runaway freight train of greed and narcissism that is parasitically killing our host spaceship.

    [1] they might be with Alexa hubs and other select data harvesting multipliers, but they’re probably selling them at cost or a tiny loss.

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      Eh. That doesn’t prevent anything if the unit itself still connects to the internet somehow (looking at you, Wyze).

      You really just need to make sure the unit doesn’t and can’t get online. Very few of those out there.

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    This is cool but it would have to be like a third that price before anyone could take the leap. If anything someone should find some way to hack and replace the spyware in a Roomba or something

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    Damn that bag must be super small to only last a week. My s7 ultra dock bag lasts around 6 months. Before I started living with a cat I was still using the original bag that had been going on a year and still wasn’t full, vacuuming daily.

    Edit: For context, my roborock dock’s bag is 3 liters, so think the volume of 1 and a half 2 liter soda bottles, and the apartment it lasted a year in was ~500 sq ft. The matic’s bag needs to fit inside the robot and looks to be close to the size of the palm of your hand. You can see it at 0:37 in the video on their site.

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        Yeah the ultra dock is amazing, I got the mop dryer and water change kit addons, so it auto refills the clean water tank from my washing machine water line, and auto empties the dirty mop water out a tube I stuck down the washing machine drain. I used to have to refill/empty those water bins every week but now the most frequent maintenance is rinsing out the water filter every 2-3 weeks. Everything else seems to be only required monthly.

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.ee
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    Another solution that guarantees no data is sold is to just buy a regular corded vacuum. It may not be as convenient, but it’ll save you having to worry about your vacuum stealing data. At least until they start forcing newer models to require an app.

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      I’m pretty sure my corded vacuum has been speaking about me behind my back and turning my wife against me.

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      It just shouldn’t need to be the case that I sacrifice privacy for convenience.

      Years ago shopkeepers asked you what you wanted and then they went and got it and packaged it for you. Then it became the better option to let you choose your own items and we’d just deal with the shopkeep to pay. This way more people were served simultaneously and everything went quicker. Imagine if you had to tell the shopkeeper the last time you cranked yourself or what size your living room is in order to progress to this more efficient process.

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      My current vacuum, cordless, with swappable batteries, was $100

      I could buy ten of them and leave multiples in each room (because I don’t live in a mansion)

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    I’m think I’m okay with using my bagless, cordless, replaceable battery, dumb vaccuum.

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    Or just buy one with a remote or a manual one. It does not and should not require an app to function

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    Anyone have experience with roborock s7 ultra with valetudo or simmilar?

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        What is your perspective on Hegel’s dialectic of Master and Slave and the inference that these asymmetric recognitive relations are metaphysically defective, and does this apply to your relationship with the roborock q5?

        Who is the master and who is the slave in this particular relationship? Can authority exist without responsibility and vice versa, or does it necessitate reciprocity?

        The mind runs wild.

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          I hooked mine up to wifi and the app. I thought it was pretty sweet it maps out your house and shows you that map on the app. Will it work without the wifi or the app? I don’t really know. I’m not paranoid and want to use all the features on my 300 dollar robot vacuum.

          • iheartneopets@lemm.ee
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            That’s nice do you, but this is a privacy community. I don’t think it’s weird to think it’s weird that a robot that connects to wifi maps out my house. Don’t like it, don’t want it.

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        Id like to know is it worth to get valetudo. I see some dissasembly and soldering required (warranty void) and not sure do I lose any functions. Maybe there is something betterfor s7?