• Death_Equity@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      He wasn’t a sniper, he was just firing shots indiscriminately.

      He used a “bump stock”, not a “forced reset trigger”. You don’t need a bump stock or FRT to fire at a high rate of speed, they just make it easier.

      Your valid argument is made weak by your ignorance.

      • theyoyomaster@lemmy.worldOP
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        2 years ago

        He had bump stocks, the official investigation never determined whether or not he used them or if any of the rifles were illegally modified to be actual machine guns.

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          The official investigation also never really turned up a motive, and if he was suicidal and wanted to take the maximum number of people with him, he had his own plane, so…

          • theyoyomaster@lemmy.worldOP
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            There’s a lot of unanswered questions, even after the investigation was completed. A FOIA request showed that the ATF was prohibited from inspecting any of the guns to check for full auto modifications. It was a deliberate choice by investigators to not determine anything pertaining to the function of any given weapon.

        • SeaJ@lemm.ee
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          It’s pretty obvious he did but the extremely high rate of fire. You’d have to be nuts to think he brought them but decided his finger had had enough of a work out to be able to for rapidly for an extended period of time. It’s not like he needed precision since he was firing into a giant crowd

      • Astroturfed@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        He just used a device that achieves the exact same result. Such a solid argument you used to tear him down.

    • Fondots@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I think we basically need to take all of our gun laws totally back to the drawing board and start fresh. They’re full of all kinds of goofy definitions and loopholes.

      One of my favorites is that, for the most part, muzzleloaders are not considered firearms. Literally the kinds of weapons we had around when the 2nd amendment was penned, and we count them in a different category that the weapons people bend over backwards trying to defend based on their definition of the 2nd amendment.

      Don’t anyone get me wrong, I’m overall mostly pro-gun, wouldn’t describe myself as a fundementalist exactly, but while there’s a lot of gun control measures I’d like to see implemented or expanded there’s also plenty of others I’d like to see rolled back to various degrees. Mostly though, what I want is for our laws to make sense, and a lot of them really don’t.

    • theyoyomaster@lemmy.worldOP
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      2 years ago

      I mean, a machine gun is a legal term that they do not meet the definition of, so there’s that.

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        2 years ago

        Ya, it just does functionally the exact same thing. Totally different and logical to allow it.

        • theyoyomaster@lemmy.worldOP
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          2 years ago

          Any modern gun can functionally do the exact same thing with a beltloop, stick or just your finger. The difference is that a machine gun is actually a specific and different function from this that does it automatically for you.

  • dethb0y@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Our tax dollars: At Work. This litigation’s costing a fortune and basically comes down to a technical detail of the wording of a requirement in the law.

    You’d think the government would have better things to spend it’s time and resources on than this.

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      Imo, this seems like an extremely reasonable thing for the government to spend money on. It would have been better if they had worded the law better in the first place. But after the lawsuits we will know either way if that type of device is legal or not.